Israeli Defense Forces steal water supplies from civilians

[Jafas United]

I know Hamas are anti-Jewish bastards (though not anti-Semitic for obvious reasons) but this still sounds really exaggerated.

'The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

'The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.'

Also:

"[Eventually] everyone will know that we did this only because our Lord
commanded so: ‘I did it not of my own accord’ [Quran] and so that people will
know that the extermination of Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds.”

[Noobubersland]

'The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

'The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ... and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.'

Also:

"[Eventually] everyone will know that we did this only because our Lord
commanded so: ‘I did it not of my own accord’ [Quran] and so that people will
know that the extermination of Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds.”

That was the one I was looking for, but didn't see it. Thank you kindly

[North Calaveras]

U should see there version of Mickey mouse

[Noobubersland]

U should see there version of Mickey mouse

I have, good comedy

[Transhuman Proteus]

The same bus bombing that Israel can't blame on Iran fast enough? Really, be nice to see what the Bulgarians find on the bomber(s) before starting on a "Everyone Hates Israel" pity party.

Dude... Everyone do hate Israel, and I'm saying that as an American. Everyone. You can see it also in this topic. EVERYONE.

I don't hate Israel. I do criticism it a fair bit - because they deserve to be criticized for some of the things they do.

Just like I criticize the US and Australia etc. Criticism, condemning things that should be condemned, doesn't = hate.

I just realised that my attitude toward Israel is a lot like my attitude to North Korea.

"Oh, those crazy fucks have done a fucking crazy thing again."

Well, Israel isn't quite THAT bad. Israel is a rare example of a modern Liberal Democracy which has institutional discrimination.

Sadly true.

You expect me to be tolerant of those who need to die for the greater good to make the world a less suck-ass place?
Especially when most people would agree with me it's the Jews fault the nation i live in, America, sucks due to them fucking it up with us having to at their beck and call for their own BS and doing nothing in return to improve things we common folk need (Education, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Technology/Science, Economy - because those pigs are so damn good with money, right?!)

Humph! FUCK THEM. America needs Israel like it needs Conservatism/Republicans of any kind...

Oh and Hezbollah and Hamas who actually kill civilians as their specialty are the angles of peace? The Jewish people got Israel because of thousands of years of abuse with the Holocaust at it's worst. They get to bust a few heads.

I don't think "lots of wrongs make us right, no matter what" should be a tolerated attitude on the world stage. For anyone.

Isn't that the way with most people with this conflict? I would like to think I wouldn't be like that, but I question by blind eye to Palestinian suffering sometimes.

I question that as well. My last one got me banned for 30 days because I got embroiled in an argument with a religious nut who refused to believe that Palestinian oppression elsewhere wasn't so unless he was paying for it (and therefore didn't give a flying fuck) and then went on to say that Jews believe Jesus is boiling in a vat of excrement and says it is a good reason for hating Israel.

I honestly don't know what the world comes to sometimes. I also don't know why people seem to think that the Bedouins can't survive in the desert like they have done so for thousands of years without help from the Israeli government. Surely, they would know where there would be reliable sources of water in the event that the IDF does something stupid (which it tends to do so on a regular basis judging by the number of topics).

Because they never just "survived in the desert" - they aren't wizards, they had their established paths, their known water supplies etc which allowed them to survive.

And why would they know? Modernization, even the most minor stuff, affects survivalist capabilities in such environments and cultures. If they haven't had to be living that kind of life for some time they aren't going to be able to slip back into it like a comfortable pair of slippers.

But anyway - are you suggesting it is right for the IDF to drive the Bedouins back to the desert, just because they can theoretically "survive" there?

They survived in the Northern Jordan Valley because there is a WATER SPRING there. Israel blocked access to that spring, in the hopes that they move. Everything starts out passive-aggressive in the Territories (taking water supplies) and then turns regular aggressive (when the D-9s move in)

I wonder, why do people so commonly talk of Israel's (frankly idiotic) treatment of Bedouins but ignore Arab states treatment of them?

I don't, and plenty don't (I remember seeing them brought up alot in discussions on Libya, even before the fall of Gadaffi's regime etc).

But I dare say a couple of reasons - in this case it is off topic (except in a "but everyone's doing it!" kind of way) and people expect (rightly or wrongly) better from a democratic nation that portrays itself as a lot better than the repressive Arab states while also getting a lot of support and free passes from the west.

[Transhuman Proteus]

but the West bank is a Puppet state, Israel can do what the government of the territory will let it.

Don't you think an important step to peace would be for Israel to show the Arabs that it supports their right to self-governance and will no longer try to force them to suffer so Israel can enjoy a better life? Would a major part of this not be not controlling the West bank as a puppet state (even though, it really isn't as the PLO are well in command) and not encroaching on Palestinian land?

Why am I always the guy who has to argue the middle ground? What's more, why do I always do it alone?

You speak sense.

[Costa Fiero]

Because they never just "survived in the desert" - they aren't wizards, they had their established paths, their known water supplies etc which allowed them to survive.

Which is what I had already posted. Thanks for establishing that.

But anyway - are you suggesting it is right for the IDF to drive the Bedouins back to the desert, just because they can theoretically "survive" there?

Now, where did I say it was fine for the IDF to drive them back into the desert? They already live in villages there in the Negev. The Israeli government doesn't recognise them however but allows them to live there. I'm surprised no one's going on about how the Israeli government has destroyed their culture simply because these Bedouins aren't nomadic like their ancestors were.

And besides, they leave each other alone most of the time. This is the first thing I have seen where the IDF or the government has done anything remotely major concerning said Bedouins. It's not like the government and the Palestinians who are constantly at each other's throats.

[Hippostania]

Yeah, those aren't civilians but foreign occupiers illegally occupying the Judea and Samaria Area. Of course the Israeli Defense Force has a full right to evict them to protect Israel's national integrity.

[DogDoo 7]

No probably cause they were Jewish

Plenty of Jews in Bulgaria. And Bulgarian Jews typically don't go on Bulgarian tour buses.

So apparently it was in fact Hezbollah, with Iranian oversight. Now what?

[United Aryan Asian Alliance]

It's becoming impossible to have any ties to the Christian faith because of shit like this...

I'm sorry, but Fuck Israel - Let them get exterminated. They ain't done nothing for anyone, as far as I'm concerned (especially if those who I'm talking about ARE Americans!). America doesn't need them helping them. They and their bullshit religion need to crawl back to Hell and have those who worship it dragged there in tow with it!

I'm not trying to say Germany should've made that nation a burning crater to Hell back when they had the chance in WW2 or anything, but it's times like this where I feel otherwise...

And for the record, I know just how evil and wrong all of this sounds. Still, Fuck Israel! Let them all be shot, killed, and gassed! That is all.

So...
Israel, according to you, hasn't invented any of the following?
-Cellphones
-Instant Messaging
-USB flashdrive
-Drip Irrigation systems (which have improved the lives of millions of people)

I'm also pretty sure that millions of people, if not billions, use these things daily around the world. Especially in the United States.

So...tell me again about how Israel hasn't done anything for the world?

Cell phones developed from US military portable radios, Modern drip irrigation began its development in Afghanistan in 1866.

[Samuraikoku]

Yet another reason why Israel shouldn't be trusted.

[United Aryan Asian Alliance]

Yeah, those aren't civilians but foreign occupiers illegally occupying the Judea and Samaria Area. Of course the Israeli Defense Force has a full right to evict them to protect Israel's national integrity.

Thats ironic when the majority of Israel's population are descended from European Immigrants that used terrorism to get their way during the British–Zionist conflict. Also how do a bunch of nomads in the middle of nowhere threaten the state of Israel so much that the military needs to steal their water?

[Chinese Regions]

Yeah, those aren't civilians but foreign occupiers illegally occupying the Judea and Samaria Area. Of course the Israeli Defense Force has a full right to evict them to protect Israel's national integrity.

That's what he said.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

1) Yeah, those aren't civilians but foreign occupiers illegally occupying the 2) Judea and Samaria Area. 3) Of course the Israeli Defense Force has a full right to evict them to protect Israel's national integrity.

1) Never in the course of human history has so much deliberately unsourced, untruthful and genuinely unpleasant bullshit about Palestine been broadcast to so many by so few.

They are civilians, Hippo, because they don't have guns or weapons of any kind and they're civilians. It's not difficult to identify them, it really isn't.

Palestine was inhabited for around 1300 years pre-al-Nakba by Palestinians, not Israelis, but after the Holocaust the people who would become Israelis sent the 'Mericans on a guilt trip and secured backing to occupy land that wasn't theirs in 1948 after a campaign of terrorism as despicable as anything Hamas have ever done.

2) It's officially called Palestine. I suggest you follow suit.

3) The IDF's (and Hippo's) perspective:

"Holy shit! There are nomads everywhere! If we don't evict them, they'll destroy Israel with their insidious neo-Nazi nomad plots! They'll poison the water or some shit like that, so let's steal all of it first!"

If Israel's territorial integrity is so vulnerable that nomads represent a grave threat to it, then Israel isn't really a viable state, is it?

[Katganistan]

It's becoming impossible to have any ties to the Christian faith because of shit like this...

I'm sorry, but Fuck Israel - Let them get exterminated. They ain't done nothing for anyone, as far as I'm concerned (especially if those who I'm talking about ARE Americans!). America doesn't need them helping them. They and their bullshit religion need to crawl back to Hell and have those who worship it dragged there in tow with it!

I'm not trying to say Germany should've made that nation a burning crater to Hell back when they had the chance in WW2 or anything, but it's times like this where I feel otherwise...

And for the record, I know just how evil and wrong all of this sounds. Still, Fuck Israel! Let them all be shot, killed, and gassed! That is all.

You do realize that Israel did not exist in WWII to be made into a crater, I hope?
That it was the reaction to the Jewish people being exterminated and abused that actually caused the creation of Israel, much to the anger of the people who actually, you know, LIVED on the land that was taken to create it?

By the way... why does this make it impossible to be a Christian? just curious.

[Katganistan]

How tolerant

You expect me to be tolerant of those who need to die for the greater good to make the world a less suck-ass place?
Especially when most people would agree with me it's the Jews fault the nation i live in, America, sucks due to them fucking it up with us having to at their beck and call for their own BS and doing nothing in return to improve things we common folk need (Education, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Technology/Science, Economy - because those pigs are so damn good with money, right?!)

Humph! FUCK THEM. America needs Israel like it needs Conservatism/Republicans of any kind...

It's also the Jews fault we HAVE a nation. Without financiers like Haym Solomon, we'd have never been able to fund the Revolution.

Learn. Your. History.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You expect me to be tolerant of those who need to die for the greater good to make the world a less suck-ass place?
Especially when most people would agree with me it's the Jews fault the nation i live in, America, sucks due to them fucking it up with us having to at their beck and call for their own BS and doing nothing in return to improve things we common folk need (Education, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Technology/Science, Economy - because those pigs are so damn good with money, right?!)

Humph! FUCK THEM. America needs Israel like it needs Conservatism/Republicans of any kind...

It's also the Jews fault we HAVE a nation. Without financiers like Haym Solomon, we'd have never been able to fund the Revolution.

Learn. Your. History.

Anti-Semites tend not to be very good at that. Die Dolchstoßlegende, zum Beispiel.

[Katganistan]

I wonder, why do people so commonly talk of Israel's (frankly idiotic) treatment of Bedouins but ignore Arab states treatment of them?

THANK YOU!

Still doesn't make it right, I might addd.

[Strykla]

1) Yeah, those aren't civilians but foreign occupiers illegally occupying the 2) Judea and Samaria Area. 3) Of course the Israeli Defense Force has a full right to evict them to protect Israel's national integrity.

1) Never in the course of human history has so much deliberately unsourced, untruthful and genuinely unpleasant bullshit about Palestine been broadcast to so many by so few.

They are civilians, Hippo, because they don't have guns or weapons of any kind and they're civilians. It's not difficult to identify them, it really isn't.

Palestine was inhabited for around 1300 years pre-al-Nakba by Palestinians, not Israelis, but after the Holocaust the people who would become Israelis sent the 'Mericans on a guilt trip and secured backing to occupy land that wasn't theirs in 1948 after a campaign of terrorism as despicable as anything Hamas have ever done.

2) It's officially called Palestine. I suggest you follow suit.

3) The IDF's (and Hippo's) perspective:

"Holy shit! There are nomads everywhere! If we don't evict them, they'll destroy Israel with their insidious neo-Nazi nomad plots! They'll poison the water or some shit like that, so let's steal all of it first!"

If Israel's territorial integrity is so vulnerable that nomads represent a grave threat to it, then Israel isn't really a viable state, is it?

I. Your second thought, ignoring the 'never in....' flies in the face of everything America has learned since 2003. The Hezbollah(a primary reason for all the bulldozing), as far as we can tell, operates in a similar was as the Taliban or al-Qaeda; if it was easy to separate the bad from the good, we'd been out of Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004. And I can't speak for underground militant Zionists, but I'm really quite sure the new Israeli government would be so stupid as to be connected. Most Israelis condemned it actually, for what that matters.

II. Officially, we're still debating on where the atmosphere ends and space begins. There are some people who call it Palestine, some who call it part of Israel. The UN doesn't actually recognize the State of Palestine.

But saying, 'I suggest you follow suit' sounds more like an order. That's not taken very well here on the interweb.

III. That's an immature point of view. To anyone who writes like that, grow the fuck up. And it's not that goddamn black and white, people. You're ignoring about two thousand years of anti-Semitism, ever since the Romans. They have every right to be afraid, and frankly, all they're doing is being pro-active.

IIIb. Palestine isn't inhabited only by nomads. You forgot the Hezbollah. Again.

[Katganistan]

The same bus bombing that Israel can't blame on Iran fast enough? Really, be nice to see what the Bulgarians find on the bomber(s) before starting on a "Everyone Hates Israel" pity party.

Dude... Everyone do hate Israel, and I'm saying that as an American. Everyone. You can see it also in this topic. EVERYONE.

Wrong. 'Whenever you say "everyone" or "no one" you are clearly wrong, because SOME people clearly DO respect/like or love Israel.

[Samuraikoku]

Dude... Everyone do hate Israel, and I'm saying that as an American. Everyone. You can see it also in this topic. EVERYONE.

Wrong. 'Whenever you say "everyone" or "no one" you are clearly wrong, because SOME people clearly DO respect/like or love Israel.

I don't hate Israel, I'm neutral towards them. But they've shown proof that they aren't a very trustworthy state.

[Farnhamia]

Wrong. 'Whenever you say "everyone" or "no one" you are clearly wrong, because SOME people clearly DO respect/like or love Israel.

I don't hate Israel, I'm neutral towards them. But they've shown proof that they aren't a very trustworthy state.

Perhaps, Koku-san, but living surrounded by large states who have sworn to drive you into the sea will tend to skew your perspective.

[New Chalcedon]

Not cool, Israel. So not cool.

However, I can see why they've stopped caring what the international community (aka the UN and related bodies) has to say about them, since said community has spent the last 40 years monomaniacally focussing on their blemishes, without examining their neighbours in the slightest. After all, when was the last time that Saudi Arabia was condemned by any organ of the UN for the appalling way the government in Riyadh treats the Shi'a minority in Eastern Saudi Arabia? When was the last time that the UN bothered to even note, far less deplore or take action about, the way the Coptic Christians are treated in Egypt, or the Maronite Christians in Lebanon? And yet, year after year, UN body after UN body focusses its attention of Israel, chiding them over their shabby treatment of the non-Jewish Israelis without bothering to do anything about the way that Israel's (Islamic) neighbours all do far worse things to their minority-group citizenry.

And the media is, ultimately, worse. After all, one might be forgiven for thinking that headlines depicting the massacres of Coptic Christian communities in Egypt might sell papers, yet the media continue to run with the "Israel is evil to Palestinians" line. They don't even have the typical media defense of "we're just in it to make bucks and sell papers".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Not cool, Israel. So not cool.

However, I can see why they've stopped caring what the international community (aka the UN and related bodies) has to say about them, since said community has spent the last 40 years monomaniacally focussing on their blemishes, without examining their neighbours in the slightest. After all, when was the last time that Saudi Arabia was condemned by any organ of the UN for the appalling way the government in Riyadh treats the Shi'a minority in Eastern Saudi Arabia? When was the last time that the UN bothered to even note, far less deplore or take action about, the way the Coptic Christians are treated in Egypt, or the Maronite Christians in Lebanon? And yet, year after year, UN body after UN body focusses its attention of Israel, chiding them over their shabby treatment of the non-Jewish Israelis without bothering to do anything about the way that Israel's (Islamic) neighbours all do far worse things to their minority-group citizenry.

And the media is, ultimately, worse. After all, one might be forgiven for thinking that headlines depicting the massacres of Coptic Christian communities in Egypt might sell papers, yet the media continue to run with the "Israel is evil to Palestinians" line. They don't even have the typical media defense of "we're just in it to make bucks and sell papers".

I'm increasingly inclined to believe that it's a near-universal truth that to be the leader of a Middle Eastern country, one must demonstrate that one is a complete bastard by discriminating with great fervour and energy against one particular group. Even in Syria, once Assad (who I despise, by the way) has gone, I don't see life being fun for the Alawite minority. Israel has done awful things, but we shouldn't only look at that.

[Stamp Licking]

Is there an independent source confirming the fact?
Like not an Arab-government source.