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Northern Europe
189
23%
Western Europe
272
33%
Southern Europe
76
9%
Eastern Europe - Slav
64
8%
Eastern Europe - Non-slav
42
5%
Africa
20
2%
Middle East
15
2%
Asia
36
4%
Asia - Orient
41
5%
Oceanic/Aboriginal/Native American
72
9%
 
Total votes : 827

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:00 am

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Bordurian wrote:
I believe they're related to the Britons from Brittany.


No, the Britons from Brittany are Brythonic, based on their language, and are actually descended from people from Sub-Roman Britain, who weren't related to the Irish. The Irish are Goidelic, meaning they speak a Q-Celtic language versus the Brythonic P-Celtic.


Either way, I wish that England's Celtic heritage could be represented more. It was the Norfolk Iceni who were fighting pitched battles against the Romans after all.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:14 am

I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.
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Postby Ryadn » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 pm

Milks Empire wrote:
Kaikohe wrote:Lol. But my mother's side moved to Hawaii when they moved her. My grandpa was 100% native Hawaiian, he married my Grandma (an Irish Immigrant) and skip forward you have me.

According to family folklore, supposedly, there are Mohawks in the family somewhere. I haven't found them yet.


Mine, too. Probably in every family that spent significant time in Upstate NY. Part of the 'breed 'em out' doctrine.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:44 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.

Go back a few thousand years and you realize that you do have African ancestors. However, that is not what you meant. You almost certainly have Asian ancestors. The Mongols got all the way to Poland. They would have raped the local women along the way, and some half-mongolian children would have been born. Given several hundred years, most europeans would likely be descended from one or more of them.
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:49 pm

Ryadn wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:According to family folklore, supposedly, there are Mohawks in the family somewhere. I haven't found them yet.

Mine, too. Probably in every family that spent significant time in Upstate NY. Part of the 'breed 'em out' doctrine.

I'd like to think that, if those Mohawks are even there, that the marriage was one made of love and not of genocide.

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Postby Cill Airne » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:55 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.

I am one of the whitest people I know; yet I am part Korean (and distantly Chinese) so you could. Of course when you are mainly irish, with some Hungarian and Austrian thrown in there you tend to be very white
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Postby Galborg » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:55 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.


Well tough, you do have African ancestors. ALL humans have African ancestors
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Postby North California » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:37 pm

I'm largely mixed raced. I am mostly Puerto Rican, with some Swiss, English, and Irish thrown in, but goddamn it if some asked my nationality, I would spit, and go, "I'm American goddammit!"
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Postby Bordurian » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:38 pm

North California wrote:I'm largely mixed raced. I am mostly Puerto Rican, with some Swiss, English, and Irish thrown in, but goddamn it if some asked my nationality, I would spit, and go, "I'm American goddammit!"

Do you think Puerto Rico should be a state?
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Postby North California » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:41 pm

Bordurian wrote:
North California wrote:I'm largely mixed raced. I am mostly Puerto Rican, with some Swiss, English, and Irish thrown in, but goddamn it if some asked my nationality, I would spit, and go, "I'm American goddammit!"

Do you think Puerto Rico should be a state?



I support either full statehood or full independence. None of this "in-between commonwealth" crap.

But, if I had to pick one of the two, I would say Statehood. Puerto Ricans are already American citizens, so making us a State would be easier. Also, it would be more beneficial if we were a state than if we were on our own.

But let's cut this commonwealth stuff out. It serves no purpose, and is a drain on the budget.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:43 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.

Go back a few thousand years and you realize that you do have African ancestors. However, that is not what you meant. You almost certainly have Asian ancestors. The Mongols got all the way to Poland. They would have raped the local women along the way, and some half-mongolian children would have been born. Given several hundred years, most europeans would likely be descended from one or more of them.

30 Million people, or 0.5% of the worlds population, has Mongolian blood in they're ancestoral line. If I am from the westmost parts of Europe, chances are the Khan would have died by then as well as his conquests.

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The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I'm from Western Europe, probobly including places like Germany, England, Wales, and Ireland. I am all white, the whitest person you might see, so I have little trouble beliving I have no Asian or African ancestors.


Well tough, you do have African ancestors. ALL humans have African ancestors

I'm not part Black, I come from Europe.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:54 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Go back a few thousand years and you realize that you do have African ancestors. However, that is not what you meant. You almost certainly have Asian ancestors. The Mongols got all the way to Poland. They would have raped the local women along the way, and some half-mongolian children would have been born. Given several hundred years, most europeans would likely be descended from one or more of them.

30 Million people, or 0.5% of the worlds population, has Mongolian blood in they're ancestoral line. If I am from the westmost parts of Europe, chances are the Khan would have died by then as well as his conquests.

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Well tough, you do have African ancestors. ALL humans have African ancestors

I'm not part Black, I come from Europe.

1: Ancestors ≠ Contributors to your DNA. And that first part is complete crap. It's the number of people descended from Genghis Khan, not any mongolian, ever. Furthermore, due to the fact that the mongolian empire was so short-lived in Europe, there was not much chance for adult fun time. So few people had mongolian DNA. The DNA slowly disappeared from the gene pool. However, those people did, indeed, have children. And grandchildren. And great-grandchildren. And some of them moved around. Although it may not be detectable in your DNA, you very likely have mongolian ancestry.
And that's ignoring the huns. They came to Europe over a thousand years before the mongols from Asia and got all the way to Gaul. They also raped and married and had children.

2: And where did your european ancestors come from, before they were in Europe?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:03 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:30 Million people, or 0.5% of the worlds population, has Mongolian blood in they're ancestoral line. If I am from the westmost parts of Europe, chances are the Khan would have died by then as well as his conquests.


I'm not part Black, I come from Europe.

1: Ancestors ≠ Contributors to your DNA. And that first part is complete crap. It's the number of people descended from Genghis Khan, not any mongolian, ever. Furthermore, due to the fact that the mongolian empire was so short-lived in Europe, there was not much chance for adult fun time. So few people had mongolian DNA. The DNA slowly disappeared from the gene pool. However, those people did, indeed, have children. And grandchildren. And great-grandchildren. And some of them moved around. Although it may not be detectable in your DNA, you very likely have mongolian ancestry.
And that's ignoring the huns. They came to Europe over a thousand years before the mongols from Asia and got all the way to Gaul. They also raped and married and had children.

2: And where did your european ancestors come from, before they were in Europe?

1:I meant Genghis Khan Mongolian. And yes there wasnt much time for them to go at it.
2:I would assume from Homo Whatever traveling to it on the supercontintent.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:16 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: Ancestors ≠ Contributors to your DNA. And that first part is complete crap. It's the number of people descended from Genghis Khan, not any mongolian, ever. Furthermore, due to the fact that the mongolian empire was so short-lived in Europe, there was not much chance for adult fun time. So few people had mongolian DNA. The DNA slowly disappeared from the gene pool. However, those people did, indeed, have children. And grandchildren. And great-grandchildren. And some of them moved around. Although it may not be detectable in your DNA, you very likely have mongolian ancestry.
And that's ignoring the huns. They came to Europe over a thousand years before the mongols from Asia and got all the way to Gaul. They also raped and married and had children.

2: And where did your european ancestors come from, before they were in Europe?

1:I meant Genghis Khan Mongolian. And yes there wasnt much time for them to go at it.
2:I would assume from Homo Whatever traveling to it on the supercontintent.

1: You said asian earlier. I addressed mongolian and then went back to asian. And yes, not much time. But there WAS time while they were all the way over attacking Poland. Enough time for hundreds of women to get pregnant. Not thousands, just hundreds. That's a fair number of half-mongolian kids in Europe.
2: ...
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Supercontinent? What? The last supercontinent ceased to exist over 150 million years ago.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:18 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:1:I meant Genghis Khan Mongolian. And yes there wasnt much time for them to go at it.
2:I would assume from Homo Whatever traveling to it on the supercontintent.

1: You said asian earlier. I addressed mongolian and then went back to asian. And yes, not much time. But there WAS time while they were all the way over attacking Poland. Enough time for hundreds of women to get pregnant. Not thousands, just hundreds. That's a fair number of half-mongolian kids in Europe.
2: ...
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Supercontinent? What? The last supercontinent ceased to exist over 150 million years ago.

1:Right.
2:Yes, and, if I'm not mistaken, humans were on that supercontinent and could have migrated to different regions which would become modern continents.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:21 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: You said asian earlier. I addressed mongolian and then went back to asian. And yes, not much time. But there WAS time while they were all the way over attacking Poland. Enough time for hundreds of women to get pregnant. Not thousands, just hundreds. That's a fair number of half-mongolian kids in Europe.
2: ...
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Supercontinent? What? The last supercontinent ceased to exist over 150 million years ago.

1:Right.
2:Yes, and, if I'm not mistaken, humans were on that supercontinent and could have migrated to different regions which would become modern continents.

1: Indeed.
2: Pangaea ceased to exist over 150000000 years ago.
Anatomically modern humans first existed 200000 years ago.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:23 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:1:Right.
2:Yes, and, if I'm not mistaken, humans were on that supercontinent and could have migrated to different regions which would become modern continents.

1: Indeed.
2: Pangaea ceased to exist over 150000000 years ago.
Anatomically modern humans first existed 200000 years ago.

My mistake, but still the continents were a lot different and early humans couldve migrated to different regions.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:31 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:1: Indeed.
2: Pangaea ceased to exist over 150000000 years ago.
Anatomically modern humans first existed 200000 years ago.

My mistake, but still the continents were a lot different and early humans couldve migrated to different regions.

No, they weren't a lot different.
Wikipedia: Pleistocene wrote:The modern continents were essentially at their present positions during the Pleistocene, the plates upon which they sit probably having moved no more than 100 km relative to each other since the beginning of the period.

That's within the last 2.5 million years.

Yes, humans did indeed separate. More than 50000 years ago, in fact. However, the last common ancestor of ALL living humans (save for extremely isolated groups in places like Australia and South America) lived 2-5 thousand years ago. Only 2-5 thousand years ago. For comparison, blond hair evolved 11 thousand years ago.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:34 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:My mistake, but still the continents were a lot different and early humans couldve migrated to different regions.

No, they weren't a lot different.
Wikipedia: Pleistocene wrote:The modern continents were essentially at their present positions during the Pleistocene, the plates upon which they sit probably having moved no more than 100 km relative to each other since the beginning of the period.

That's within the last 2.5 million years.

Yes, humans did indeed separate. More than 50000 years ago, in fact. However, the last common ancestor of ALL living humans (save for extremely isolated groups in places like Australia and South America) lived 2-5 thousand years ago. Only 2-5 thousand years ago. For comparison, blond hair evolved 11 thousand years ago.

...Ok...
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:37 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:No, they weren't a lot different.

That's within the last 2.5 million years.

Yes, humans did indeed separate. More than 50000 years ago, in fact. However, the last common ancestor of ALL living humans (save for extremely isolated groups in places like Australia and South America) lived 2-5 thousand years ago. Only 2-5 thousand years ago. For comparison, blond hair evolved 11 thousand years ago.

...Ok...

I'm saying that you have african ancestors who lived at least 2000 years ago.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:38 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:...Ok...

I'm saying that you have african ancestors who lived at least 2000 years ago.

So in other words less than 1% of my DNA comes from them?
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Postby The ivain isles » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:39 pm

Im through bred irish, but I'd consider myself human first and foremost, as Socrates (or Plato) said, I am not an Athenian, I am not a Greek, I am a citizen of the world.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:41 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:I'm saying that you have african ancestors who lived at least 2000 years ago.

So in other words less than 1% of my DNA comes from them?

Yes, but ancestry ≠ who your DNA came from. Or else it would be impossible to claim ancestors beyond 6-7 generations.
Your child has 23 chromosomes from you. Their child has approximately 12. Their child has approximately 6. Their child has approximately 3. Their child has approximately 2. Their child has approximately 1. Their child has approximately none.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:44 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:So in other words less than 1% of my DNA comes from them?

Yes, but ancestry ≠ who your DNA came from. Or else it would be impossible to claim ancestors beyond 6-7 generations.
Your child has 23 chromosomes from you. Their child has approximately 12. Their child has approximately 6. Their child has approximately 3. Their child has approximately 2. Their child has approximately 1. Their child has approximately none.

Ok that means my family ancestors were once black, but not anymore?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:51 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Yes, but ancestry ≠ who your DNA came from. Or else it would be impossible to claim ancestors beyond 6-7 generations.
Your child has 23 chromosomes from you. Their child has approximately 12. Their child has approximately 6. Their child has approximately 3. Their child has approximately 2. Their child has approximately 1. Their child has approximately none.

Ok that means my family ancestors were once black, but not anymore?

Some of your ancestors were black. At any time within the last few thousand years, they were the minority. Simple statistics means that they should have the smallest genetic impact on you.
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