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Gidgetisms
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Postby Gidgetisms » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:51 pm

Nana, chat, CC, astro, truthy, aure, lacky, JD (Even tho he wont sing soft kitty), indy, kitty, liri, nightkill,condy, and saintB. And probably forgot some, yes.
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Threlizdun
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:52 pm

Mosasauria wrote:Hmm... There's more than just one:
Indeos
Yoite
Tiami
Nana
Bottle
Alien Space Bats
The Nuclear Fist/Vlad
Lacky
Norstal
1000 Cats
Unhealthy Truthseeker/FST
Farnhandia
Genivaria
The Black Forrest
Milks Empire
Erinkita
The Norwegian Blue
Wikkiwallana
Cannot think of a name
Blaatschapen
Threlizidun
Nightkill
Free Soviets
Meyruma
Mavorpen
Dyakovo
Imsogone
Unilisia

There's probably a lot of you that I'm forgetting.

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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:52 pm

Magmia wrote:Liriena and Alaje


:shock:
Hi, Magmia!

I'm on someone's fav list, I feel all warm inside. :hug:
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:53 pm

Condunum wrote:I see now. Your punishment was not putting me on the list.

You'd enjoy the others too much. ;)
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Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Meryuma
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Postby Meryuma » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:54 pm

North California wrote:Meryuma is a pretty cool dude.


Mosasauria wrote:Meyruma


Thank you, thank you (misspelling nonwithstanding).

Also, I somehow forgot Nightkill and Nazi Flower Power, among several other people.
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Cu Math
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Postby Cu Math » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Why i no liked? :(
Besides the fact im relatively new and annoying as hell.....
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Jerusalem and Damascus
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Cu Math wrote:Why i no liked? :(
Besides the fact im relatively new and annoying as hell.....


Dang, I forgot you. This is a crime I can not repent from.

Especially since you gave me the honor of the Let's Be Civil Potato.
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm

Meryuma wrote:
North California wrote:Meryuma is a pretty cool dude.


Mosasauria wrote:Meyruma


Thank you, thank you (misspelling nonwithstanding).

Also, I somehow forgot Nightkill and Nazi Flower Power, among several other people.

Hey, I like you too.

Also, few more- Buffy, Jim, Hardened Pyrokinetics, Olthar, Nathi, NERVUN, 1000 Cats, CM, Geni, Mavorpen, Shanix, Mesoland, so on.

Condom is staying off the list as punishment.
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Nightkill the Emperor
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Why i no liked? :(
Besides the fact im relatively new and annoying as hell.....


Dang, I forgot you. This is a crime I can not repent from.

Especially since you gave me the honor of the Let's Be Civil Potato.

J&D is a cool guy, speaks French and doesn't afraid of anything.
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Lackadaisical Hopes
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Postby Lackadaisical Hopes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:56 pm

Ok so my list in no order... Gidge, Uni, Nana, Lacky, OE, Foster Keys, That guy that has a name like Foster Keys but isn't, Parkus ( if he was still around) Astro, Nemmy, JD isn't bad. Northern Dominus, Dya, CC and Coffee Cakes.

Hmm who am I forgetting?
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Lackadaisical2 wrote: Mm, now I miss Chat, she is a bundle of fun wrapped in sexy.
Grenartia wrote:I swear, if I'm the God of Kinky, then you're the Goddess.
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Joshy was right about Chatty. You can't help but feel naughty when you're caught in her sexy tractor beam. :lol:
Big Jim P wrote:Nana is my mother, Chat is my daughter, and Roan is my very surprised wife.
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Unilisia
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Founded: May 17, 2009
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Postby Unilisia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 pm

Mosasauria wrote:Hmm... There's more than just one:
Indeos
Yoite
Tiami
Nana
Bottle
Alien Space Bats
The Nuclear Fist/Vlad
Lacky
Norstal
1000 Cats
Unhealthy Truthseeker/FST
Farnhandia
Genivaria
The Black Forrest
Milks Empire
Erinkita
The Norwegian Blue
Wikkiwallana
Cannot think of a name
Blaatschapen
Threlizidun
Nightkill
Free Soviets
Meyruma
Mavorpen
Dyakovo
Imsogone
Unilisia

There's probably a lot of you that I'm forgetting.


I'm seriously surprised I am on your list :o
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 pm

Lackadaisical Hopes wrote:Ok so my list in no order... Gidge, Uni, Nana, Lacky, OE, Foster Keys, That guy that has a name like Foster Keys but isn't, Parkus ( if he was still around) Astro, Nemmy, JD isn't bad. Northern Dominus, Dya, CC and Coffee Cakes.

Hmm who am I forgetting?

You're pretty cool as well.

Adding Parkus, Dya, Lacky, Foster and Uni to my list.
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Magmia
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Founded: Nov 01, 2011
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Postby Magmia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Alaje wrote:
Magmia wrote:Liriena and Alaje


:shock:
Hi, Magmia!

I'm on someone's fav list, I feel all warm inside. :hug:

Hi!

Lol :hug:

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Condunum
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Founded: Apr 26, 2011
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Condunum wrote:I see now. Your punishment was not putting me on the list.

You'd enjoy the others too much. ;)

Well... :blush:
It's even better coming from an Indian ;P
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Lackadaisical Hopes
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Postby Lackadaisical Hopes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:58 pm

Gidgetisms wrote:Nana, chat, CC, astro, truthy, aure, lacky, JD (Even tho he wont sing soft kitty), indy, kitty, liri, nightkill,condy, and saintB. And probably forgot some, yes.

:hug:
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Lackadaisical2 wrote: Mm, now I miss Chat, she is a bundle of fun wrapped in sexy.
Grenartia wrote:I swear, if I'm the God of Kinky, then you're the Goddess.
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Joshy was right about Chatty. You can't help but feel naughty when you're caught in her sexy tractor beam. :lol:
Big Jim P wrote:Nana is my mother, Chat is my daughter, and Roan is my very surprised wife.
New Maldorainia wrote:I shall name you Daisy.

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Olthar
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Postby Olthar » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:Here's my full friends list.
Conserative Morality
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Mavorpen
Seperates
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Camelza
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Der Landstreicher
Forster Keys
Grave_n_idle
Hallistar
Ifreann
Northern Dominus
Olthar
Orcoa
Ovisterra
Salpae
Saurisisia
Seshephe
Soviet Haaregrad
Soxastan
Terra Agora
The Merchant Republics
Xiscapia
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Meryuma wrote:


Thank you, thank you (misspelling nonwithstanding).

Also, I somehow forgot Nightkill and Nazi Flower Power, among several other people.

Hey, I like you too.

Also, few more- Buffy, Jim, Hardened Pyrokinetics, Olthar, Nathi, NERVUN, 1000 Cats, CM, Geni, Mavorpen, Shanix, Mesoland, so on.

Condom is staying off the list as punishment.

:hug:
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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:59 pm

Cu Math wrote:Why i no liked? :(
Besides the fact im relatively new and annoying as hell.....

Annoying? You're intelligent and opinionated. Respectable, and admirable. I don't follow your posts enough to know if I like you or not.
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Tmutarakhan
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm

There's several that I like, but Cakes is the one who actually came to meet me, so he has to be my fave.
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Lancaster of Wessex
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Can't say I have one.
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Lackadaisical Hopes
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Postby Lackadaisical Hopes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Lackadaisical Hopes wrote:Ok so my list in no order... Gidge, Uni, Nana, Lacky, OE, Foster Keys, That guy that has a name like Foster Keys but isn't, Parkus ( if he was still around) Astro, Nemmy, JD isn't bad. Northern Dominus, Dya, CC and Coffee Cakes.

Hmm who am I forgetting?

You're pretty cool as well.

Adding Parkus, Dya, Lacky, Foster and Uni to my list.

I keep forgetting about you! I'd add you to my list but I want to keep it clean.
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No I am not Lackadaisical2
I used to be Chatkasatan.
Hella Old
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Lackadaisical2 wrote: Mm, now I miss Chat, she is a bundle of fun wrapped in sexy.
Grenartia wrote:I swear, if I'm the God of Kinky, then you're the Goddess.
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Joshy was right about Chatty. You can't help but feel naughty when you're caught in her sexy tractor beam. :lol:
Big Jim P wrote:Nana is my mother, Chat is my daughter, and Roan is my very surprised wife.
New Maldorainia wrote:I shall name you Daisy.

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Meryuma wrote:


Thank you, thank you (misspelling nonwithstanding).

Also, I somehow forgot Nightkill and Nazi Flower Power, among several other people.

Hey, I like you too.

Also, few more- Buffy, Jim, Hardened Pyrokinetics, Olthar, Nathi, NERVUN, 1000 Cats, CM, Geni, Mavorpen, Shanix, Mesoland, so on.

Condom is staying off the list as punishment.

So it's official, huh?
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Founded: Dec 28, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Olthar wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Here's my full friends list.
Conserative Morality
Divair
Dyakovo
Immoren
Jerusalem and Damascus
Mavorpen
Seperates
Big Jim P
Camelza
Ceffyltir
Der Landstreicher
Forster Keys
Grave_n_idle
Hallistar
Ifreann
Northern Dominus
Olthar
Orcoa
Ovisterra
Salpae
Saurisisia
Seshephe
Soviet Haaregrad
Soxastan
Terra Agora
The Merchant Republics
Xiscapia
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Hey, I like you too.

Also, few more- Buffy, Jim, Hardened Pyrokinetics, Olthar, Nathi, NERVUN, 1000 Cats, CM, Geni, Mavorpen, Shanix, Mesoland, so on.

Condom is staying off the list as punishment.

:hug:

:hug:

Hey, if you hadn't helped, Elfen High wouldn't have ever gotten past the first five pages. So you have my gratitude on that.

Besides, you're a brony and a damn good writer.
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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Lackadaisical Hopes
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Postby Lackadaisical Hopes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:There's several that I like, but Cakes is the one who actually came to meet me, so he has to be my fave.

Yes he told me about that! He had a real good time.
The cutiest lil kiwi you ever saw!
No I am not Lackadaisical2
I used to be Chatkasatan.
Hella Old
Bi

Lackadaisical2 wrote: Mm, now I miss Chat, she is a bundle of fun wrapped in sexy.
Grenartia wrote:I swear, if I'm the God of Kinky, then you're the Goddess.
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Joshy was right about Chatty. You can't help but feel naughty when you're caught in her sexy tractor beam. :lol:
Big Jim P wrote:Nana is my mother, Chat is my daughter, and Roan is my very surprised wife.
New Maldorainia wrote:I shall name you Daisy.

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Luziyca
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Condunum wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Hey, I like you too.

Also, few more- Buffy, Jim, Hardened Pyrokinetics, Olthar, Nathi, NERVUN, 1000 Cats, CM, Geni, Mavorpen, Shanix, Mesoland, so on.

Condom is staying off the list as punishment.

So it's official, huh?

Don't worry. You are on my list.

Hell, everyone is on my list. Those not mentioned by name, I placed it as "and the rest."
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Nightkill the Emperor
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Lackadaisical Hopes wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:You're pretty cool as well.

Adding Parkus, Dya, Lacky, Foster and Uni to my list.

I keep forgetting about you! I'd add you to my list but I want to keep it clean.

I can't tell if that's an insult or a compliment. :lol:
Hi! I'm Khan, your local misanthropic Indian.
I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.
P2TM RP Discussion Thread
If you want a good rp, read this shit.
Tiami is cool.
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".

Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.

Monfrox wrote:
The balkens wrote:
# went there....

It's Nightkill. He's been there so long he rents out rooms to other people at a flat rate, but demands cash up front.

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