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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:17 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:Fixed, and too fucking bad for them that reality disagrees with them.

Bullshit.

hey now stop throwing 'bullshit' around so much! :lol:

Stop making bullshit claims, and I'll stop calling your claims bullshit.
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Postby Vault 1 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:18 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Really? I highly doubt he believes that America won the entire war by itself. We did not, and no school teaches that unless the teacher outright ignores the curriculum.

I was referring to the belief that US played the greatest role in WWII of all Allies, not to this extreme version.

Anyway, not to derail.

Mavorpen wrote:Most of the populace ALREADY believe in creationism.

So far it's a moderate majority. Give it more time and more repetition, and even science in US will start molding itself around creation being a given.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:18 pm

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There's only one theory. The rest is baseless speculation, and the realm of idiots and manipulative demagogues.

If it is so the students will reach to this conclusion alone :)


Schools do not have the time or money to waste indulging religious fantasy.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:19 pm

What in the heck did I just read?

Evolution isn't a religious belief. In fact, the only way to make that sound like it's true. "Evolution isn't proven .: Is a religion" is just an insult to actual religions (because you make it sound like religions rely on being unproven), about as much so as Young Earth Creationism is an insult to actual scientific theories.


I say this a well-known Christian poster. I may have my own points of incredulity with the theory of evolution (as the origin of life) but I'm not going to stoop to belittling it as a valid scientific theory. Just as I don't belittle YEC as a religious belief, silly to me perhaps, but then I find non-theistic evolution silly.
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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:20 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:If it is so the students will reach to this conclusion alone :)


Schools do not have the time or money to waste indulging religious fantasy.

in the USA this??? Dont lie me even our schools have the money and the time

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Postby Mandicoria » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:20 pm

Should neither be demonized or promoted. It should just be taught as a theory.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:20 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:
There's only one theory. The rest is baseless speculation, and the realm of idiots and manipulative demagogues.

If it is so the students will reach to this conclusion alone :)

Possibly not is they're taught that that evolution and creationism are competing theories with equal merit.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:21 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:What in the heck did I just read?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:22 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Schools do not have the time or money to waste indulging religious fantasy.

in the USA this??? Dont lie me even our schools have the money and the time


No they don't. In fact my school skips several lessons because we dont have enough time.
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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:22 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:If it is so the students will reach to this conclusion alone :)

Possibly not is they're taught that that evolution and creationism are competing theories with equal merit.

pbably you think that you have "understood" a big truth and the other people are idiots, but its not so

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:in the USA this??? Dont lie me even our schools have the money and the time


No they don't. In fact my school skips several lessons because we dont have enough time.

you have very strange system of education

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 pm

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The Merchant Republics wrote:What in the heck did I just read?

Popular opinion states a monkey on cocaine as well injected with the blood of Fred Phelps put on a keyboard.


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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
No they don't. In fact my school skips several lessons because we dont have enough time.

you have very strange system of education


No shit.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:24 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
No they don't. In fact my school skips several lessons because we dont have enough time.

you have very strange system of education

I think it may be because they lack the money and the time. Just a thought.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:25 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:you have very strange system of education


No shit.

They can't even afford bathrooms, poor bastards. And I thought India was bad off.
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Postby The United Nations of the Earth » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:25 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The United Nations of the Earth wrote:hey now stop throwing 'bullshit' around so much! :lol:

Stop making bullshit claims, and I'll stop calling your claims bullshit.

which claim have i made that is bullshit? (A, B or C)

A: that...
evolution: people trying to prove that they are intellectually superior.
creationism: people trying to avoid hell.

B: that...
public school shouldn't teach either one because
1.) neither matter in life.
2.) both cause too much controversy.
3.) people can educate themselves or be educated outside of public schools.

C: that you throw the word 'bullshit' around a lot.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:25 pm

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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Popular opinion states a monkey on cocaine as well injected with the blood of Fred Phelps put on a keyboard.


Finally someone speaking my language!

Of course, it's only just a theory.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:26 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:
No shit.

They can't even afford bathrooms, poor bastards. And I thought India was bad off.


On a serious more, we can't even afford field trips. It's fucking pathetic.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:27 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:They can't even afford bathrooms, poor bastards. And I thought India was bad off.


On a serious more, we can't even afford field trips. It's fucking pathetic.

As an outsider to the Western education system, field trips aren't really a sign of that. My Catholic school in India never went on field trips but it was a rich school. They focused more on maths and sciences.
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Postby Absurd Ramblings » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:After all I couldnt understand what is the problem all theories to be mentioned in the education?

I want every single Hindu belief to be mentioned, please.

After that, cover every single Islamic sect.

Then go for Buddhism.

Try some Christianity.

Then cover Judaism.

Now let's go back to an in-depth study in your biology class about how the Greeks thought the heart was the organ man thought with.


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Postby No Water No Moon » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:After all I couldnt understand what is the problem all theories to be mentioned in the education?


There is only one theory.

There's no point pretending there's a controversy in the science - there isn't.

And there's no point pretending that religion is science, just so you can teach it in science class. It's not.


And that's the important one. Science class should be dedicated to teaching science. Not religion.
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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:you have very strange system of education


No shit.

as I understand you are still a student at school. Havent you been taught at home that when you speak with people that you dont know (especially older) you are expected to behave politely or at least not vulgarly?

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Postby Ryadn » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm

As a teacher, I feel profound guilt that somewhere, somehow, the education system failed you deeply.

*sigh*

It's good motivation to start working on lesson plans, though.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Possibly not is they're taught that that evolution and creationism are competing theories with equal merit.

pbably you think that you have "understood" a big truth and the other people are idiots, but its not so

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that rather than bothering to actual learn about the ToEvNS and the boatloads of evidence it has supporting it...
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:29 pm

Mandicoria wrote:Should neither be demonized or promoted. It should just be taught as a theory.

Which it is. But then, it appears some schools are better at explaining what a 'theory' in science is.
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