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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Anderzeme wrote:Evolution and creation are equally unproven. If one can not be taught, the other can not be taught either. However, I think it should be up to the discretion of the local school board since it's a level of government where parents are really able to give input and voice opinions about what their kids learn.

Wrong. Evolution is proven fact, whereas creationism does not have a single shred of evidence to support it.
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Postby The United Nations of the Earth » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:57 pm

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The United Nations of the Earth wrote:eyeroll no doubt! i agree that christianity is the main problem, but since we cannot and should not keep people from believing whatever they want to, all we can do is keep church and state separate by not teaching creationism or any other theories on our origin. maybe an elective "origins" could be offered, but only if it also includes 'ancient aliens' theories too.

Teaching evolution does not violate the separation of church and state in any way, shape or form.


okay you have really thought about this one. true it isn't really a violation, except that christians are really threatened by it. i say throw them both out, ONLY because it isn't intregal to what is being taught in biology classes. it might be a chapter in the book, but i am saying skip the chapter please! there are many more interesting things to talk about in biology class anyway!
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Postby Keronians » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:58 pm

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The United Nations of the Earth wrote:um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.


How is evolution through natural selection, a theory accepted by all atheists, most agnostics and a large proportion of Christians tarnished by religion?

Also, purposefully withholding information from children would be called 'censorship'.


It is?
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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:58 pm

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Anderzeme wrote:Evolution and creation are equally unproven. If one can not be taught, the other can not be taught either. However, I think it should be up to the discretion of the local school board since it's a level of government where parents are really able to give input and voice opinions about what their kids learn.

Wrong. Evolution is proven fact, whereas creationism does not have a single shred of evidence to support it.

Who proved it?

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Really? I highly doubt he believes that America won the entire war by itself. We did not, and no school teaches that unless the teacher outright ignores the curriculum.

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Postby Keronians » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Wrong. Evolution is proven fact, whereas creationism does not have a single shred of evidence to support it.

Who proved it?


It's an observable phenomenon. Darwin, and many other scientists have.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:59 pm

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Anderzeme wrote:Evolution and creation are equally unproven. If one can not be taught, the other can not be taught either. However, I think it should be up to the discretion of the local school board since it's a level of government where parents are really able to give input and voice opinions about what their kids learn.

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

Keronians wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:Who proved it?


It's an observable phenomenon. Darwin, and many other scientists have.

darwin developed a theory didnt prove it

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Long thread, been a while...has there been put forth an actual theory of creationism that is not just a half-assed critique on evolution?

No.
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Postby Keronians » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Keronians wrote:
It's an observable phenomenon. Darwin, and many other scientists have.

darwin developed a theory didnt prove it


Do you know what a theory is?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:00 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Keronians wrote:
It's an observable phenomenon. Darwin, and many other scientists have.

darwin developed a theory didnt prove it


Remark on this:

Keronians wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:Who proved it?


It's an observable phenomenon. Darwin, and many other scientists have.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:01 pm

Keronians wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:darwin developed a theory didnt prove it


Do you know what a theory is?

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Keronians wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:darwin developed a theory didnt prove it


Do you know what a theory is?

yes

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Do you know what a theory is?

yes

Inform us.
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Keronians wrote:
Do you know what a theory is?

Silly Kero, asking stupid questions is for politicians.

no, problem- im actively engaged with politics

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Postby Woodstead » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:02 pm

Yes, of course; the real question is whether creation should be taught, and which ones.

At school, I was taught evolution, Christian creationism, Aboriginal belief, and many more. In fact, we were all allowed to create our own stories when we were 10. I drew a dinosaur and an octopus. :lol:
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Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Silly Kero, asking stupid questions is for politicians.

no, problem- im actively engaged with politics

This whole thing just became a few hundred times funnier.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:03 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:Teaching evolution does not violate the separation of church and state in any way, shape or form.


okay you have really thought about this one. true it isn't really a violation, except that some christians are really threatened by it.

Fixed, and too fucking bad for them that reality disagrees with them.
The United Nations of the Earth wrote:i say throw them both out, ONLY because it isn't intregal to what is being taught in biology classes.

Bullshit.
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Postby The God-Realm » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:03 pm

Yes. Truth should be taught, not obvious lies.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:04 pm

Woodstead wrote:Yes, of course; the real question is whether creation should be taught, and which ones.

At school, I was taught evolution, Christian creationism, Aboriginal belief, and many more. In fact, we were all allowed to create our own stories when we were 10. I drew a dinosaur and an octopus. :lol:

I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:04 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Woodstead wrote:Yes, of course; the real question is whether creation should be taught, and which ones.

At school, I was taught evolution, Christian creationism, Aboriginal belief, and many more. In fact, we were all allowed to create our own stories when we were 10. I drew a dinosaur and an octopus. :lol:

I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.


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Woodstead wrote:Yes, of course; the real question is whether creation should be taught, and which ones.

At school, I was taught evolution, Christian creationism, Aboriginal belief, and many more. In fact, we were all allowed to create our own stories when we were 10. I drew a dinosaur and an octopus. :lol:

I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.

Maybe that's how god impregnated Mary with her still virginity intact, no penises used in the process.
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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I've seen enough hentai to know where this is going.


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Postby The United Nations of the Earth » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:06 pm

there are lots of proven facts* that are not taught in school and even if evolution were a proven fact, isn't a subject that is as important as basic math and english (or whatever language) in real life.

*i don't see how it is possible to prove that we are the product of evolution except through theories and googling around the internet or whatever since we can't create a planet and make life appear yet.
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