Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[Mavorpen]

exactly. what is your quarrel with this?

Because we know the answer.

[Terruana]

Evolution is science. We have science classes in the U.S. All classrooms teaching evolution should do one thing: Present NON-BIASED facts about evolution and let the children decide. Creationism should NOT be taught because it isn't a science and controversies shouldn't ALWAYS be taught. If a controversy is political or moral based, ie, neither side is wrong or right, it should be taught. But if a controversy is that some people won't realize that evolution is a fact...well it's not a controversy. It's a group disagreeing with a fact. Like Copernicus and the Geocentric System believers.

I can say that everyone lives in a virtual reality and it has the same validity as creationism. Actually, it has MORE validity because people actually calculated that theory with math and there is a probable chance of it. Obviously, probability isn't the only thing we should look at but it's far more than what creationism has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

i agree totally. creationism is not scientific and evolution is More scientific, but evolution and creationism are not the same as algebra and english. let children learn theories about our origin and decide which side of the fence they want to be on outside of class. which side doesn't matter anyway unless you like to think you are intellectually superior or you think you are avoiding hell.

How many times... Evolution and creationism are not theories of equal merit. One is a well established, observable fact. The other is based on a 2000 year old book. Here, educate yourself

[Dyakovo]

But then how do you deal with a student asking "Where does humanity come from?"

By your logic, the response is "Well, there are many separate explanations for the origin of life, but by law I'm not allowed to tell you about any of them".

exactly. what is your quarrel with this?

Because it is moronic. There is no (reasonable) controversy. Evolution is proven fact, and the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is one of the most supported theories there is. Creationism is religious bullshit.

[The United Nations of the Earth]

exactly. what is your quarrel with this?

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

[Turan Federasyonu]

i agree totally. creationism is not scientific and evolution is More scientific, but evolution and creationism are not the same as algebra and english. let children learn theories about our origin and decide which side of the fence they want to be on outside of class. which side doesn't matter anyway unless you like to think you are intellectually superior or you think you are avoiding hell.

The believe in a creator (or many) is much more than 2000 years old
How many times... Evolution and creationism are not theories of equal merit. One is a well established, observable fact. The other is based on a 2000 year old book. Here, educate yourself

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

How is evolution through natural selection, a theory accepted by all atheists, most agnostics and a large proportion of Christians tarnished by religion?

Also, purposefully withholding information from children would be called 'censorship'.

[Mavorpen]

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

1)Why the fuck go to school at all then? 2) So? Who gives a shit about what religion says. And again, why did you bother going to school?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The believe in a creator (or many) is much more than 2000 years old
How many times... Evolution and creationism are not theories of equal merit. One is a well established, observable fact. The other is based on a 2000 year old book. Here, educate yourself

Yeah, I love copying and pasting too. What's your point?

[Terruana]

How many times... Evolution and creationism are not theories of equal merit. One is a well established, observable fact. The other is based on a 2000 year old book. Here, educate yourself

The believe in a creator (or many) is much more than 2000 years old

Which doesn't make it any more correct.

[Dyakovo]

How many times... Evolution and creationism are not theories of equal merit. One is a well established, observable fact. The other is based on a 2000 year old book. Here, educate yourself

The believe in a creator (or many) is much more than 2000 years old

So? That doesn't change the fact that there is nothing scientific about it, and thus should not be taught as an alternative to ToEvNS.

[Dyakovo]

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

Ah, the good ole "ignorance is bliss routine"...

[Turan Federasyonu]

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The believe in a creator (or many) is much more than 2000 years old

Which doesn't make it any more correct.

Or relevant to the discussion.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

But that's the exact opposite of what he's saying, UNOTE is saying that you shouldn't be allowed to interact with any.

For the last time, creationism does not belong in educational institutions, it belongs in places of worship.

[Mavorpen]

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

No, you don't. Not in school, because it's a waste of time and because you can simply go to church. Again, the curriculum doesn't work like that, especially in science. No one is forcing anything on you. Stop whining.

[Dyakovo]

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

I'd like to say this attitude is surprising, but unfortunately this is the standard mind set of fundies... Keep the children ignorant so we have a chance of keeping them as followers of our cult.

[Individuality-ness]

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

So instead of teaching critical thinking, you want to censor our teachers? Like that will help our society.

[Terruana]

um i took biology a loooong time ago in high school and 1.) what i learned has not been much use to me 2.) i don't recall that much talk about evolution at all only in regard to our origin which is not a topic that should be taught in public schools because it is tarnished by religion AND not important in life except for, like i said, you are seeking to label yourself as intellectually superior or you are trying to basically avoid hell.

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

Nobody's talking about being forced to believe something. We're talking about teaching an established scientific fact as exactly that; an established scientific fact. If you want to ignore it and go on believing in something else, feel free. I've yet to hear any reasonable argument for why we shouldn't teach an established scientific fact in sciences classes just because some people don't believe it's true (despite the mountains of evidence)

[Threlizdun]

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

You have the right to refuse to believe science if you wish. However, you do not have the right to force nonense into the public schooling system because it is what you believe.

[Turan Federasyonu]

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

No, you don't. Not in school, because it's a waste of time and because you can simply go to church. Again, the curriculum doesn't work like that, especially in science. No one is forcing anything on you. Stop whining.

How much time have you worked in the sphere of education that you are so sure how it works?

[Alyekra]

no

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

Do you believe that knowledge can only be attained through the senses?

[Dyakovo]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

Do you believe that knowledge can only be attained through the senses?

Yes.

[Rothvaris]

When people say "creationism", they're usually talking about the Genesis story. Regardless of whether or not evolution is true (it is), if you're going to teach creationism, you should teach the creation stories of every religion. My favourite is the Ancient Egyptian one, where a god was masturbating into a river and his spunk turned into life.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

No, you don't. Not in school, because it's a waste of time and because you can simply go to church. Again, the curriculum doesn't work like that, especially in science. No one is forcing anything on you. Stop whining.

How much time have you worked in the sphere of education that you are so sure how it works?

You don't have to work in the sphere of education to know how it works. As someone who's been educated, I know how it works.

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

Do you believe that knowledge can only be attained through the senses?

Funny, I don't remember stating or implying that. But yes, I do.

[The United Nations of the Earth]

I support this opinion, everybody has the right to interact with all theories(not only about the origin of the life, but in general) and to believe in what he wants. noone cannot be made by force to believe in something

But that's the exact opposite of what he's saying, UNOTE is saying that you shouldn't be allowed to interact with any.

For the last time, creationism does not belong in educational institutions, it belongs in places of worship.

getting frustrated?
how about this... you force your students to learn about evolution in biology class and i'll allow them to research it in a public library on their own time~thanks so much!