Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Interesting because he's right and you're wrong?

no

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

[Chinese Regions]

When creationists wont believe in evolution because they cant see it happening, Use Lego Genetics to prove them wrong!

I already tried using Pokémon to that end. Sadly, evolutionists themselves seem to find their theory incapable of agreeing with it.

Because Pokémon evolution is nothing like real life evolution, it is the same as metamorphosis and growing up.

[Dyakovo]

Wow, now you're arguing about the human soul. Just respect each other's beliefs. It's not that hard.

I have no respect for willful ignorance.

[Absurd Ramblings]

I think fundamentalism just means an unwillingness (or perhaps inability) to change viewpoints even when presented with evidence. It sounds more like it's just authoritarian, really.

this social behavior is called conservatism.

Ah, I see.

I never knew I was a fundamentalist. This is also why no religion is good enough for me.

[Mavorpen]

When creationists wont believe in evolution because they cant see it happening, Use Lego Genetics to prove them wrong!

I already tried using Pokémon to that end. Sadly, evolutionists themselves seem to find their theory incapable of agreeing with it.

I see. So you're trolling.

[Chinese Regions]

Interesting because he's right and you're wrong?

no

Then what? Interesting that you are derailing the thread?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I already tried using Pokémon to that end. Sadly, evolutionists themselves seem to find their theory incapable of agreeing with it.

I see. So you're trolling.

He seems to work on the basis of 'trollito ergo sum'.

[Terruana]

So, you agree that theology is not a science then? In which case, it has no business being taught in a science class. Science lessons are about teaching scientific facts, theories and the scientific method. It has nothing to do with teaching "different viewpoints" or religion.

No, I don't agree with that. Like I said, it is the study of the bible. And you clearly misunderstand what I'm saying, so let me make it clear: Children in science classes should not be taught that the bible is *fact*. Children in science classes should - among other topics - deal with *claims* and attempt to prove or disprove them and thus learn to apply the scientific method. As such, I believe theological claims are as fit to be tested with the scientific method as biological ones. You're right, it has nothing to do with viewpoints - science is science, although I must point out that science is NOT limited to natural science.

Except the Abrahamic creation myth isn't the only "claim", and it would take months to get through all of them. What would be the point in wasting time disproving theories that are completely unscientific, using the scientific method? There are plenty of more appropriate ways to teach it.

Yes, you could establish requirements for private schools. That would be setting a curriculum, in which case the schools are not free to teach whatever they like, so really this discussion has no relevance whatsoever to this thread.

They would be free to teach whatever they like beyond the curriculum. I see no problem with demanding something in return for funding.

So you'd have no problem with a school that teaches children that gravity isn't real and that it's actually lots of invisible elastic strings? You can't see that ever becoming a problem, when people start graduating from that school and going into jobs? I wonder how well a guy with a physics degree from a private school would do in a research position if he didn't understand how gravity worked.

It's nice to know that you're one of those people who likes to resort to insults instead of arguments. I can clearly see why you think you can make a compelling argument for creationism being taught in science.

You can't even clearly see what I'm writing.

Funny, I could have sworn you wrote

Meaning here is where I would start flaming you it was allowed.

And if you seriously think abiogenesis and evolution are the same thing, then you clearly don't understand either of them. In which case come back when you've actually bothered to read up on them.

I don't think abiogenesis and evolution are the same, and I never stated I did. I said I considered them essentially the same, the essence being developement.

So, in other words, you don't understand either of them. Abiogenesis deals with how life first came into being. Evolution simply explains how life diversifies and changes over time. The theory of evolution by natural selection has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of that life. How are they the same?

[The Nation of the Shalama People]

Wow, now you're arguing about the human soul. Just respect each other's beliefs. It's not that hard.

I have no respect for willful ignorance.

I wouldn't call it ignorance, sir, it's a belief. Let them believe what they want to believe and you believe what you want to believe.

[Chinese Regions]

I see. So you're trolling.

He seems to work on the basis of 'trollito ergo sum'.

Je troll donc je suis?

[Turan Federasyonu]

no

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

He seems to work on the basis of 'trollito ergo sum'.

Je troll donc je suis?

Ich trolle, daher bin ich?

[Absurd Ramblings]

yes but you told how a body is created. And how is the human soul?

The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.

I don't suppose you'd be willing to sell it?

[Mavorpen]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

I want to ask you, should I go get a mod before you derail this thread even further?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

Not the nature of the existence of the soul. If that's what you think psychology is about, let me inform you that you're so wrong, I can't even begin to tell you.

[Dyakovo]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

So you don't have any verifiable evidence of a soul? Not at all surprising...

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

Why the hell is psychology relevant to evolution? Psychology doesn't imply a soul anyway, it's the study of the human mind and human behaviour.

[Turan Federasyonu]

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

Not the nature of the existence of the soul. If that's what you think psychology is about, let me inform you that you're so wrong, I can't even begin to tell you.

if you know why you cant believe?

[Chinese Regions]

Scientific proof that the soul exists, please, lest I accuse you of bullshitting with no proof behind your bullshit.

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

The study of the mind and human behaviour.

[Individuality-ness]

Oh, yes we do need a knowledgeable populace. Is your vision of a perfect government one in which you rule as the unquestioned leader of everything and anything?

My vision of a perfect government is a pit in the ground filled with ash. (Don't worry. I just mean natural end and cremation.)

But sadly my vision is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. To stay in power, a government has to actively work to stay in power - to complete disregard of its population's welfare, if need be, much less knowledge. A government that is willing to relax its grip on the country for the sake of its people will naturally lose out to opponents focused solely on power.

No, a government's job is to protect our rights. It cannot disregard the population's welfare because that's what gives government its power -- the desire of the people. If the people are malcontent, they will rebel.

Also, source for your second point?

Or is it one in which the people have a voice in their government? If it's the latter, you NEED an educated populace that can make their own decisions.

Oh. Quite the opposite. While a dictatorship can do with smart populace, because it can't do anything about it, electoral democracies require dumb, uneducated, emotional electorate. It's the only kind of electorate that will elect people like Obama or Bush (or most candidates for that matter).

Oh, no, electoral democracies NEED intelligent people. It may not seem that way because of the media, but it is the debate that helps determine what direction the government needs to go -- popular opinion.

Terminating the temporary threadjack that has just commenced, evolution NEEDS to be taught in schools because it is an accepted scientific theory, something that has been shown to occur again and again.

[Dyakovo]

The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.

I don't suppose you'd be willing to sell it?

No, because that would be fraud. Now quit the threadjack.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not the nature of the existence of the soul. If that's what you think psychology is about, let me inform you that you're so wrong, I can't even begin to tell you.

if you know why you cant believe?

Er, if you're saying this is what psychology is about, wrong.

As for believing, this thread is not about that. This thread is about whether evolution should be taught in schools. If you're so concerned about the soul, make a thread about it.

[The United Nations of the Earth]

well you are definitely free to argue that all you want to, but there will probably not be enough people on your side to create such a controversy as evolution versus creationism does. until it does, i guess we should teach children that we breathe air and not teach evolution/creationism (origins) in public schools.

But then how do you deal with a student asking "Where does humanity come from?"

By your logic, the response is "Well, there are many separate explanations for the origin of life, but by law I'm not allowed to tell you about any of them".

exactly. what is your quarrel with this?

[Leepaidamba]

I want to ask you, what is the subject of the psychology?

Why the hell is psychology relevant to evolution? Psychology doesn't imply a soul anyway, it's the study of the human mind and human behaviour.

It's relevant to evolution in that psychology deals with living beings, who are subject to evolution, thus making evolutionary theory applicable in psychology.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

But then how do you deal with a student asking "Where does humanity come from?"

By your logic, the response is "Well, there are many separate explanations for the origin of life, but by law I'm not allowed to tell you about any of them".

exactly. what is your quarrel with this?

The fact that you'd refuse to teach people a fundamental aspect out of biology out of deference to Ostrich Christians/Muslims/Jews etc.