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Postby Central Slavia » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:40 pm

Should Newtonian theory be taught in State Schools? Should the particle theory of matter be taught in State Schools?
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:40 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.

and you allow both theories to be taught and the students to decide what to believe in sounds very normal!

Was that sarcasm? :?
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Postby Absurd Ramblings » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:40 pm

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:i cant call not enforcing one theory over other religous fundamentalism

Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.


I think fundamentalism just means an unwillingness (or perhaps inability) to change viewpoints even when presented with evidence. It sounds more like it's just authoritarian, really.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:41 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.

and you allow both theories to be taught and the students to decide what to believe in sounds very normal!

One of them isn't a theory though.

Theories have to have some facts backing them up that are confirmable via easily replicated experiment.
Creationism is NOT a theory. It's a hypothesis for how the world started/Big Bang happened AT MOST because there is no way of testing it or recovering any facts that suggest anything about it (at least not currently). To teach it alongside an ACTUAL theory is ridiculous.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:42 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.

and you allow both theories to be taught and the students to decide what to believe in sounds very normal!


Evolution through natural selection is a scientific theory with a great deal of evidence behind it, and therefore belongs in a science classroom.

Creationism posits that a God created the world the way it is now without any form of evolution and everything that evolution cites as proof is lies. It's inherently unprovable and there is no evidence for it. It therefore belongs in a church/synagogue/mosque/other place of worship.

That made the distinction clear? IMHO, creationism sans evolution isn't a scientific theory, it's nonsense.
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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:43 pm

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey

A self-respecting person wont accept they were created by their own parents using their naughty bits to do naughty stuff to each other but that doesn't make it less true.

A self-respecting person wont call the procreation process "naughty things", especially if he is so concerned with science and biology as you seem

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:44 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.


I think fundamentalism just means an unwillingness (or perhaps inability) to change viewpoints even when presented with evidence. It sounds more like it's just authoritarian, really.

this social behavior is called conservatism.

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Postby Vault 1 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:45 pm

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My vision of a perfect government is a pit in the ground filled with ash. (Don't worry. I just mean natural end and cremation.)

But sadly my vision is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. To stay in power, a government has to actively work to stay in power - to complete disregard of its population's welfare, if need be, much less knowledge. A government that is willing to relax its grip on the country for the sake of its people will naturally lose out to opponents focused solely on power.


Individuality-ness wrote:Or is it one in which the people have a voice in their government? If it's the latter, you NEED an educated populace that can make their own decisions.

Oh. Quite the opposite. While a dictatorship can do with smart populace, because it can't do anything about it, electoral democracies require dumb, uneducated, emotional electorate. It's the only kind of electorate that will elect people like Obama or Bush (or most candidates for that matter).


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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:45 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:A self-respecting person wont accept they were created by their own parents using their naughty bits to do naughty stuff to each other but that doesn't make it less true.

A self-respecting person wont call the procreation process "naughty things", especially if he is so concerned with science and biology as you seem


Fine then, you were created by your father thrusting his genitalia, specifically his penis, in and out of your mother in a repetitive cycle, both deriving a great deal of pleasure from the experience, until he climaxed and ejaculated, after which sperm entered your mother, meeting an egg and forming you. Better?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:46 pm

Evolution is part of science, and science is taught in school, so my answer is yes. Evolution should be taught in schools. What should be kept out of schools, especially if they're part of the public school system, is creationism.

If the school's private and run by a religious institution, then it can't be helped that creationism is taught.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:46 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:1. Yes it is
2. Religious Fundamentalists?

i cant call not enforcing one theory over other religous fundamentalism

I can, since creationism/intelligent design are not scientific theories. They are an attempt to replace science with fiction.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:A self-respecting person wont call the procreation process "naughty things", especially if he is so concerned with science and biology as you seem


Fine then, you were created by your father thrusting his genitalia, specifically his penis, in and out of your mother in a repetitive cycle, deriving a great deal of pleasure from the experience, until he climaxed and ejaculated, after which sperm entered your mother, meeting an egg and forming you. Better?

yes but you told how a body is created. And how is the human soul?

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Postby The United Nations of the Earth » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:47 pm

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The United Nations of the Earth wrote:neither evolution, creationism nor intelligent design should be taught in public schools. this topic is entertaining, but not educational. there are plenty of other topics to study that are not so highly disputed and much more interesting and educational.


Evolution is science. We have science classes in the U.S. All classrooms teaching evolution should do one thing: Present NON-BIASED facts about evolution and let the children decide. Creationism should NOT be taught because it isn't a science and controversies shouldn't ALWAYS be taught. If a controversy is political or moral based, ie, neither side is wrong or right, it should be taught. But if a controversy is that some people won't realize that evolution is a fact...well it's not a controversy. It's a group disagreeing with a fact. Like Copernicus and the Geocentric System believers.

I can say that everyone lives in a virtual reality and it has the same validity as creationism. Actually, it has MORE validity because people actually calculated that theory with math and there is a probable chance of it. Obviously, probability isn't the only thing we should look at but it's far more than what creationism has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

i agree totally. creationism is not scientific and evolution is More scientific, but evolution and creationism are not the same as algebra and english. let children learn theories about our origin and decide which side of the fence they want to be on outside of class. which side doesn't matter anyway unless you like to think you are intellectually superior or you think you are avoiding hell.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:47 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.

and you allow both theories to be taught and the students to decide what to believe in sounds very normal!

No, you teach the students the truth and leave the religious lies out of it.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:48 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:yes but you told how a body is created. And how is the human soul?


The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.
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Postby Lotrabme » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:48 pm

When creationists wont believe in evolution because they cant see it happening, Use Lego Genetics to prove them wrong!

Someone get me the DNA of a Great White- A dolphin, and a human being, I'm gonna prove macro evolution right here.

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:48 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:yes but you told how a body is created. And how is the human soul?


The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.

very interesting

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Fine then, you were created by your father thrusting his genitalia, specifically his penis, in and out of your mother in a repetitive cycle, deriving a great deal of pleasure from the experience, until he climaxed and ejaculated, after which sperm entered your mother, meeting an egg and forming you. Better?

yes but you told how a body is created. And how is the human soul?

There is no such thing.
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Postby The Nation of the Shalama People » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:49 pm

I don't see why not. I mean, hearing another theory on how humanity started is not going to make me pack up and convert to atheism, so I don't see why some religious people think that may be the case.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.

very interesting


Interesting because he's right and you're wrong?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Lotrabme wrote:When creationists wont believe in evolution because they cant see it happening, Use Lego Genetics to prove them wrong!

Someone get me the DNA of a Great White- A dolphin, and a human being, I'm gonna prove macro evolution right here.

:twisted:


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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
The human soul isn't created because it doesn't exist.

very interesting


Not really. But I love how you're distracting from the fact you don't know what evolution is.
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Postby Vault 1 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:50 pm

Lotrabme wrote:When creationists wont believe in evolution because they cant see it happening, Use Lego Genetics to prove them wrong!

I already tried using Pokémon to that end. Sadly, evolutionists themselves seem to find their theory incapable of agreeing with it.

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Postby The Nation of the Shalama People » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:51 pm

Wow, now you're arguing about the human soul. Just respect each other's beliefs. It's not that hard.

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:51 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:very interesting


Interesting because he's right and you're wrong?

no

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