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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:28 pm

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Turan Federasyonu wrote:A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey


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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:29 pm

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A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey

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Man did not originate from monkeys.

And yes, Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism, if it even needs mentioned, should just be tossed in as "some people prefer this because of their religion." and then not mentioned again. If kids want to learn creationism, they can do so on their own time. Evolution is science, creationism only vaguely resembles science.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:29 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Care to justify that statement?

A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey


A person who respects himself won't make a laughing stock of himself to the intelligent world.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:No, we should teach evolution in science class. We should teach creationism where it belongs: Bible Studies.

I dont know what are these bible classes at us there is not such a thing, however, yes, the evolution is a biological matter, the creationism is a spiritual/philosophical one and they should be in different classes

I went to public school in the US, so no Bible Studies class here (because that would suggest that the school's endorsing an official religion, which is against the First Amendment). I know about creationism because I read a good part of the Old Testament out of curiosity. But I do agree, they should be in different classes.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

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A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey

Show me evidence that backs up your claim that we are not monkeys. :P
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Postby The United Nations of the Earth » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

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The United Nations of the Earth wrote:neither evolution, creationism nor intelligent design should be taught in public schools. this topic is entertaining, but not educational. there are plenty of other topics to study that are not so highly disputed and much more interesting and educational.


Bullshit.

I could go around disputing that humans breathe air, and arguing it at every opportunity. That wouldn't mean children should not be taught that they breathe air.


well you are definitely free to argue that all you want to, but there will probably not be enough people on your side to create such a controversy as evolution versus creationism does. until it does, i guess we should teach children that we breathe air and not teach evolution/creationism (origins) in public schools.
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Postby Ulvena » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

The United Nations of the Earth wrote:neither evolution, creationism nor intelligent design should be taught in public schools. this topic is entertaining, but not educational. there are plenty of other topics to study that are not so highly disputed and much more interesting and educational.


Evolution is science. We have science classes in the U.S. All classrooms teaching evolution should do one thing: Present NON-BIASED facts about evolution and let the children decide. Creationism should NOT be taught because it isn't a science and controversies shouldn't ALWAYS be taught. If a controversy is political or moral based, ie, neither side is wrong or right, it should be taught. But if a controversy is that some people won't realize that evolution is a fact...well it's not a controversy. It's a group disagreeing with a fact. Like Copernicus and the Geocentric System believers.

I can say that everyone lives in a virtual reality and it has the same validity as creationism. Actually, it has MORE validity because people actually calculated that theory with math and there is a probable chance of it. Obviously, probability isn't the only thing we should look at but it's far more than what creationism has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

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Postby Vault 1 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:And yes, knowledge is dangerous... to the oppressors. Fact is a valuable weapon. And we want a knowledgeable populace, don't we now?

Of course we don't. Remind me, is Manning out of prison yet? A knowledgeable populace is a danger to any government, because it doesn't really need one.


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Postby Archnar » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:30 pm

Evolution is a scientific theory. Gravity is also a scientific theory. The only reason the big bang theory or evolution is controversial is because it causes religious statements to either be proven false (like creationism) or it implies God is not needed or some other theological implications in a way the discovery of gravity doesn't. However it is not a religious belief only a scientific theory that is by the way supported by evidence rather than scripture.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:31 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1: Yes, it is.
2: Then your entire school system is filled with morons. You were taught bullshit. There is zero evidence for creationism.

Everybody decides in what to believe, and in what not.1 It is also a matter of self-respect.2 If yopu have some self-respect you wont believe in the theory of the evolution so fast3

1: And when you believe in bullshit you can expect me to mock you for it.
2: Yes, it is. If you had any you wouldn't believe in bullshit with zero evidence to support it.
3: The Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is not a belief system. I don't "believe in it", I have educated myself on the subject and every bit of evidence supports it. Therefore I accept it as the best available explanation as to how the process of evolution works.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 pm

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Bullshit.

I could go around disputing that humans breathe air, and arguing it at every opportunity. That wouldn't mean children should not be taught that they breathe air.


well you are definitely free to argue that all you want to, but there will probably not be enough people on your side to create such a controversy as evolution versus creationism does. until it does, i guess we should teach children that we breathe air and not teach evolution/creationism (origins) in public schools.


But then how do you deal with a student asking "Where does humanity come from?"

By your logic, the response is "Well, there are many separate explanations for the origin of life, but by law I'm not allowed to tell you about any of them".
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 pm

Science class should not be used to teach religious beliefs and dogma. If a person wants to learn about these things that can either a) Go to a priest/imam/rabbi/whatever and ask them about their dogma's or just plain attend any religious sermon B) Look it up on the internet C) If the school offers it they can take a religious studies class.

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:I dont know what are these bible classes at us there is not such a thing, however, yes, the evolution is a biological matter, the creationism is a spiritual/philosophical one and they should be in different classes

I went to public school in the US, so no Bible Studies class here (because that would suggest that the school's endorsing an official religion, which is against the First Amendment). I know about creationism because I read a good part of the Old Testament out of curiosity. But I do agree, they should be in different classes.

Im not from the US. I also havent studied religious subjects in school the creationism is taught in the philosophy classes

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 pm

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The United Nations of the Earth wrote:neither evolution, creationism nor intelligent design should be taught in public schools. this topic is entertaining, but not educational. there are plenty of other topics to study that are not so highly disputed and much more interesting and educational.

The opposite- all of them should be taught

No. The idiotic bullshit with no evidence (creationism/intelligent design) should not be taught. It isn't science, never was science, and never will be science.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:34 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You were taught bullshit then. Creationism (whether it is christian creationism or not) is bullshit. Evolution is proven fact and the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is the best available explanation for how it works.
If your teachers weren't fucking morons you'd know this.

1. It is not a proven fact.
2.The education carriculum is not defined by the teachers, there are norms and rules which are obligatory for all schools

1. Yes it is
2. Religious Fundamentalists?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:34 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:And yes, knowledge is dangerous... to the oppressors. Fact is a valuable weapon. And we want a knowledgeable populace, don't we now?

Of course we don't. Remind me, is Manning out of prison yet? A knowledgeable populace is a danger to any government, because it doesn't really need one.

Oh, yes we do need a knowledgeable populace. Is your vision of a perfect government one in which you rule as the unquestioned leader of everything and anything? Or is it one in which the people have a voice in their government? If it's the latter, you NEED an educated populace that can make their own decisions. Otherwise, society will stagnate and we'll never get anywhere, like I said before. Just look at North Korea.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:34 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Care to justify that statement?

A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey

That's not what the Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection says.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:34 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
The United Nations of the Earth wrote:neither evolution, creationism nor intelligent design should be taught in public schools. this topic is entertaining, but not educational. there are plenty of other topics to study that are not so highly disputed and much more interesting and educational.

The opposite- all of them should be taught

No only science should be taught aka Evolution.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:35 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:I almost want to be a teacher, just for this. I'd open my first lesson on evolution with "Some people will dispute this. They are stupid, and that is why I am the one teaching you."

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:1. It is not a proven fact.
2.The education carriculum is not defined by the teachers, there are norms and rules which are obligatory for all schools

1. Yes it is
2. Religious Fundamentalists?

i cant call not enforcing one theory over other religous fundamentalism

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Postby Absurd Ramblings » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:36 pm

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Shnercropolis wrote:can you prove that?

Sure.

The entirity of Genisis is incorrect. There is no proof substatiating any claims of giants, a genetic bottle neck due to global flood... or visible light and dark coming before the Sun and stars.

As well, Birds and fish did not develop simultaniously, no matter how liberally you look at the claims.

Man cannot walk on water, heal with the touch of his hand, or rise from the grave. Demons do not exist. Angels do not exist. Sin does not exist.

Until you find evidence for these claims within reality itself, you and the Bible are factually incorrect.


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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:37 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:1. Yes it is
2. Religious Fundamentalists?

i cant call not enforcing one theory over other religous fundamentalism

Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.
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Postby Koshka » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:38 pm

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:I almost want to be a teacher, just for this. I'd open my first lesson on evolution with "Some people will dispute this. They are stupid, and that is why I am the one teaching you."

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Postby Turan Federasyonu » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:39 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Turan Federasyonu wrote:i cant call not enforcing one theory over other religous fundamentalism

Forcing a religious belief over a scientific fact sounds very fundamentalist.

and you allow both theories to be taught and the students to decide what to believe in sounds very normal!

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:39 pm

Turan Federasyonu wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Care to justify that statement?

A peson who respects himself wont accept that he originates from a monkey

A self-respecting person wont accept they were created by their own parents using their naughty bits to do naughty stuff to each other but that doesn't make it less true.
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