Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[Divair]

Bubonic plague is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. HIV/AIDS is caused by the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

How are they similar?




Thank you. We've all been telling him, and he won't listen, but the more the merrier.

I am surprised we all haven't been called out by a Mod for dog-piling actually.

Now you've given them the idea.

[Person012345]

their method of infection is very similar, both use this same receptor to enter host cells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

Funny, there's no mention of that in the Wiki article on Y. pestis. In the article you linked on CCCR5, the section on the Delta32 variant says:

CCR5-Δ32 (or CCR5-D32 or CCR5 delta 32) is a genetic variant of CCR5.[9][10]

CCR5-Δ32 is a deletion mutation of a gene that has a specific impact on the function of T cells.[11]At least one copy of CCR5-Δ32 is found in about 10% of people of Northern Europe and in those of Northern European descent. It has been hypothesized that this allele was favored by natural selection during the Black Death. This coalescence date is contradicted by purported evidence of CCR5-Δ32 in Bronze Age samples, at levels comparable to the modern European population.[12] Smallpox may be another candidate for the high level of the mutation in the European population.[9]

The allele has a negative effect upon T cell function, but appears to protect against smallpox and HIV. Yersinia pestis (the bubonic plague bacterium) was demonstrated in the laboratory not to associate with CCR5. Individuals with the Δ32 allele of CCR5 are healthy, suggesting that CCR5 is largely dispensable. However, CCR5 apparently plays a role in mediating resistance to West Nile virus infection in humans, as CCR5-Δ32 individuals have shown to be disproportionately at higher risk of West Nile virus in studies,[13] indicating that not all of the functions of CCR5 may be compensated by other receptors.

The only mention of plague in the entire article is a negative one for your argument (I underlined the sentence above). I don't necessarily disbelieve you but that source doesn't support your argument.

The same article also says that smallpox may be responsible. The specific cause really doesn't matter to the base point though, what matters is that a certain percentage is immune/resistant/whatever to HIV.

[Vault 1]

The specific cause really doesn't matter to the base point though, what matters is that a certain percentage is immune/resistant/whatever to HIV.

For such is the will of God.

[Person012345]

The specific cause really doesn't matter to the base point though, what matters is that a certain percentage is immune/resistant/whatever to HIV.

For such is the will of God.

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

[Vault 1]

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

That answers it in full. A certain portion of population is immune to HIV because there are other plans for them than getting GRIDS by accident.

[Mavorpen]

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

That answers it in full. A certain portion of population is immune to HIV because there are other plans for them than getting GRIDS by accident.

Indeed, they're being saved for cancer.

[Milks Empire]

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

That answers it in full. A certain portion of population is immune to HIV because there are other plans for them than getting GRIDS by accident.

GRIDS? Quit trolling or GTFO.

[Person012345]

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

That answers it in full. A certain portion of population is immune to HIV because there are other plans for them than getting GRIDS by accident.

[citation needed]

[Vault 1]

GRIDS?

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

[Neutraligon]

GRIDS?

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

[Milks Empire]

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

The proper term is AIDS.

[Person012345]

GRIDS?

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

That's because you see nothing wrong with degrading other people for no reason just because you see them inferior to you and your repulsive god. You are precisely what is wrong with religion. Assuming you are religious and believe anything you're saying.

[Person012345]

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

You can look up GRIDS on wikipedia.

[Neutraligon]

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

The proper term is AIDS.

...Didn't know that, so where did GRIDS come from?

[Neutraligon]

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

You can look up GRIDS on wikipedia.

Huh, when I did a google search it didn't come up? Ah well.

[Milks Empire]

The proper term is AIDS.

...Didn't know that, so where did GRIDS come from?

Early 1980s ignorance.

[Neutraligon]

...Didn't know that, so where did GRIDS come from?

Early 1980s ignorance.

I see, finally found it on Wikipedia. Is it so hard to call the disease by it's modern name?

[Person012345]

Actually, due to the fact that you're either trolling, or incomprehensibly moronic and bigoted, you're going to be the 4th person on my ignore list. Preparing to fire the ignore cannons, full power...

[Milks Empire]

Early 1980s ignorance.

I see, finally found it on Wikipedia. Is it so hard to call the disease by it's modern name?

Apparently for homophobes.

[Tekania]

That doesn't answer the point in the slightest, stop trolling with your useless comments.

That answers it in full. A certain portion of population is immune to HIV because there are other plans for them than getting GRIDS by accident.

Yes, why go by properly corrected names proposed by researchers and professionals when it's found that the name does not properly match the people it's effecting.

[Vault 1]

Yes, why go by properly corrected names proposed by researchers and professionals when it's found that the name does not properly match the people it's effecting.

Because it's less hilarious that way.
Imagine a conservative senator's reaction when he is told that he's affected with Gay-Related Immune Deficiency.

"But I'm straight and even married, doc... how could I have it?"
"Be not afraid. It's perfectly fine in modern medical opinion. Thousands live with it for years just fine."
"Really, doctor, so you think I have a chance?"
"Oh, surely. Here, let me give you this book..."
"What, is it about dealing with five stages of grief? I don't want any of that!"
"Oh, not at all. It's just to help you with coming out."

[Seperates]

See, here's the problem with that assessment. It isn't scientific. It assumes that humans are the evolutionary "end-game" in "God's creation", what with the Abrahamic religions human-centered dogma. There is no reason to assume this. There is no reason to assume that God made this world specifically to evolve us. Perhaps we are not the endgame in his creation. Perhaps cockroaches are the endgame and everything else is merely byproducts. Evolution is not compatible with Abrahamic religious dogma, which is why it is opposed so vehmently. Sure, we can pretend it is compatible for the sake of apologetics, but that does not change the facts of the matter.

You know, you can always rely on the assumption that God wanted humans to become the dominant species on the planet.

In what way? Our survival and success as a species is throughly dependent on the survival of the ecosystems that we depend on. You could argue that we are beyond such things, but the conservation and preservation of ecosystems is vital to the health and well-being of cities, towns, and countries. In the end, we our "domination" of nature will only lead to nature destroying us... or moreover, us destroying ourselves.

[Farnhamia]

Funny, there's no mention of that in the Wiki article on Y. pestis. In the article you linked on CCCR5, the section on the Delta32 variant says:


The only mention of plague in the entire article is a negative one for your argument (I underlined the sentence above). I don't necessarily disbelieve you but that source doesn't support your argument.

The same article also says that smallpox may be responsible. The specific cause really doesn't matter to the base point though, what matters is that a certain percentage is immune/resistant/whatever to HIV.

Granted, save that Sociobiology said they had similar infection mechanisms. They don't.

[The Lone Alliance]

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When will you get it through your heads that TROLL OR NOT NOTHING YOU SAY WILL MAKE CREATIONISTS CHANGE THEIR MIND.

PS: When you're still arguing with Vault 1 at page 150 I'll be back to point it out again.

[Dyakovo]

We still call pretty much all diseases by their original names, even if we know it to be inaccurate. "Common cold" is hundreds of different viral diseases unrelated to temperature, "Typhoid fever" bears no relation to typhus. I'm not sure why the disease originally called GRIDS deserves different treatment.

What's it stand for so I can look it up?

GRID is what the media originally called AIDS, it stood for "gay-related immune deficiency". What Vault fails to realize is that HVI/AIDS was never called GRID by medical professionals. The name used originally by the CDC was the 4H disease, a name the dropped (to be replaced with AIDS) when it was discovered that the disease had no real connection to a person's sexuality.