Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[Individuality-ness]

Oh. You ignored the real point.

I thought I replied to the real point, but if you want me to put it anviliciously.

"Reality" is what people perceive as reality. What the vast majority of people perceive as reality is what they're being told - by parents, at school, on TV. Tell them one story for all their life and it will be considered self-evident truth.

Today evolution is still one of such stories. Replace it with creation science and it will become perceived reality. Certainly evolution is better at explaining some things, like MRSA and hyenas, but biblical science is better at explaining others, like HIV and whales.

How does Biblical science explain HIV and whales? Evolution explains those just fine.

[Person012345]

Oh. You ignored the real point.

I thought I replied to the real point, but if you want me to put it anviliciously.

"Reality" is what people perceive as reality. What the vast majority of people perceive as reality is what they're being told - by parents, at school, on TV. Tell them one story for all their life and it will be considered self-evident truth.

Today evolution is still one of such stories. Replace it with creation science and it will become perceived reality. Certainly evolution is better at explaining some things, like MRSA and hyenas, but biblical science is better at explaining others, like HIV and whales.

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[Vault 1]

How does Biblical science explain HIV and whales?

A new disease unlike any other that appeared just as the Western world started its "sexual liberation", especially affecting the worst sinners, and which the so-called science can't do squat to cure - do you really not see it?

It was created as a punishment for sodomy and fornication, to remind mankind of its sins and the punishment that comes with them. It isn't there to take free choice away, since it won't be done anymore, but it is a warning, as well as a testament to the folly of sinful pride in medicine.

[Person012345]

Yep. Whales are a punishment from god.

Unfortunately, your explanation is not a better explanation that evolution.

[Lialoth]

A new disease unlike any other that appeared just as the Western world started its "sexual liberation", especially affecting the worst sinners, and which the so-called science can't do squat to cure - do you really not see it?

It was created as a punishment for sodomy and fornication, to remind mankind of its sins and the punishment that comes with them. It isn't there to take free choice away, since it won't be done anymore, but it is a warning, as well as a testament to the folly of sinful pride in medicine.

I'd like to say that I am, by no means, a biology expert and even I can see massive flaws in your statement.

1. Vulnerability to HIV is based more on ethnicity than sexuality.
2. Medical science is amazing at preventing HIV. But like many diseases we just aren't very good at fighting it. Especially because it's viral.
3. It's actually possible to be almost entirely genetically immune to HIV. No really, it is.
4. Some people are born with HIV. How can it be a reasonable punishment if it harms the blameless?
5. Your statement has absolutely no predictive capabilities. Science's is more widely supported by evidence and has better predictive capabilities.

[Runfin]

How does Biblical science explain HIV and whales?

A new disease unlike any other that appeared just as the Western world started its "sexual liberation", especially affecting the worst sinners, and which the so-called science can't do squat to cure - do you really not see it?

It was created as a punishment for sodomy and fornication, to remind mankind of its sins and the punishment that comes with them. It isn't there to take free choice away, since it won't be done anymore, but it is a warning, as well as a testament to the folly of sinful pride in medicine.

Yep, your def a troll

[Person012345]

I cannot see how he could not be a troll.

[Lialoth]

I cannot see how he could not be a troll.

Quite possibly not. Remember; Poe's Law.

[Person012345]

I cannot see how he could not be a troll.

Quite possibly not. Remember; Poe's Law.

Even if he believes what he's saying he's still trolling. Although whether he believes what he's saying is highly doubtful too.

[Seperates]

Oh. You ignored the real point.

I thought I replied to the real point, but if you want me to put it anviliciously.

"Reality" is what people perceive as reality. What the vast majority of people perceive as reality is what they're being told - by parents, at school, on TV. Tell them one story for all their life and it will be considered self-evident truth.

Today evolution is still one of such stories. Replace it with creation science and it will become perceived reality. Certainly evolution is better at explaining some things, like MRSA and hyenas, but biblical science is better at explaining others, like HIV and whales.

Actually... no it won't. As difficult as it is for you to believe, that is not, in fact, how the physical, observable world works. Step back from the whole "reality" debacle for a moment. I'm going to assume that this is all a grand delusion that we share, a hoax. Now, even basing EVERYTHING that on that assumption, the fact of the matter remains that we measure light at a speed of 299,792,458 metres per second (or whatever the equvilent unit is in whatever imaginary standard unit system you are using). It doesn't change the fact that living things change. It doesn't change the fact that you are your parents are not genetic copies of one another, and therefore it is not out of the question to think that if you went back far enough say, one billion years, your relatives would not only not resemble you at all... but they would barely resemble your species.

And it doesn't change the fact that that is exactly what we find in the fossil record. It doesn't change the many, many, many, many various dating methods that corraborate various dates on artifacts, even when done independently without the scientists even knowing what area of strata it comes from.

Really, it explains whales? You mean it explains what selectory advantages helped push a species of four legged land mammals in coastal regions to, over hundreds of generations, evolve into super-sized marine-dwelling giants? And it explains HIV? Do tell. If it explains it so well, why haven't we been able to come up with an adequate vaccine for the virus, if it demonstrates such apt understanding of the molecular structure and genetic make-up of the disease?

[Seperates]

How does Biblical science explain HIV and whales?

A new disease unlike any other that appeared just as the Western world started its "sexual liberation", especially affecting the worst sinners, and which the so-called science can't do squat to cure - do you really not see it?

It was created as a punishment for sodomy and fornication, to remind mankind of its sins and the punishment that comes with them. It isn't there to take free choice away, since it won't be done anymore, but it is a warning, as well as a testament to the folly of sinful pride in medicine.

Hmm... no. Especially since it has not hit the "Western World" as nearly as hard as it has many of the dogmatic Christian nations of Africa. It was a good guess, but your obsession with fornication comes off as like priest who preachs against homosexuality while he has the altar boy blowing him under the podium.

[Lialoth]

Do tell. If it explains it so well, why haven't we been able to come up with an adequate vaccine for the virus, if it demonstrates such apt understanding of the molecular structure and genetic make-up of the disease?

I think what he was getting at is that it explains the existence of HIV and why we haven't discovered effective treatment YET.

I've heard people express such opinions before. It's more-or-less "God dun it. We should just give up."

[Individuality-ness]

How does Biblical science explain HIV and whales?

A new disease unlike any other that appeared just as the Western world started its "sexual liberation", especially affecting the worst sinners, and which the so-called science can't do squat to cure - do you really not see it?

It was created as a punishment for sodomy and fornication, to remind mankind of its sins and the punishment that comes with them. It isn't there to take free choice away, since it won't be done anymore, but it is a warning, as well as a testament to the folly of sinful pride in medicine.

Yeah, no.

1) Punish the innocent as well as the guilty (since HIV can and has been transmitted via blood transfusion or in utero)? Why?
2) Viruses are HARD to kill using chemicals. They're not really alive, for one thing. Anything that could kill HIV on the surface is too poisonous for the human body as well.
3) Genetic immunity. If you're of Northern European descent, you may have immunity (the Black Death was apparently similar to HIV in nature, IIRC).

[Person012345]

Do tell. If it explains it so well, why haven't we been able to come up with an adequate vaccine for the virus, if it demonstrates such apt understanding of the molecular structure and genetic make-up of the disease?

I think what he was getting at is that it explains the existence of HIV and why we haven't discovered effective treatment YET.

I've heard people express such opinions before. It's more-or-less "God dun it. We should just give up."

And so obviously god revealed the cure to all his loyal and devoted followers... no he did and when science comes up with the cure, we'll find it, it'll be right there in the bible. With a bit of interpretation... but that's ok because god works in mysterious ways.

[Seperates]

Do tell. If it explains it so well, why haven't we been able to come up with an adequate vaccine for the virus, if it demonstrates such apt understanding of the molecular structure and genetic make-up of the disease?

I think what he was getting at is that it explains the existence of HIV and why we haven't discovered effective treatment YET.

I've heard people express such opinions before. It's more-or-less "God dun it. We should just give up."

Oh, well, we know it exists. Hell, we even know more or less why it exists (evolution of the primal auto-immune disease, duh), which is why we've been able to create fairly effective treatments that can slow the process of it going from HIV to full-blown AIDS. The only reason we haven't been able to develop a vaccine (there is no cure from a virus, once you've got it, it's there until the antibodies disable it and the Killer T cells break it down, sorry folks) is because the little bastards have the genetic variablity of the flu, but with it changing from individual to individual thanks to it's wonderful ability to reverse transcript parts of the hosts genetic code into it's own RNA. As well, it's ability to practically disable the immune system slows/prevents the bodies production of antibodies that would usually disable such viruses. In essence, so far, the only way to technically create a vaccine would be to create an individual vaccine for each and every person with the virus which is nigh impossible on an individual and large-scale financial level. So we are looking for something better, and that is the tricky part.

[Hathradic States]

It should be taught as a theory, not as fact.

[The Black Forrest]

It should be taught as a theory, not as fact.

Please look what that means.

[Person012345]

It should be taught as a theory, not as fact.

Why?

[Vault 1]

Hmm... no. Especially since it has not hit the "Western World" as nearly as hard as it has many of the dogmatic Christian nations of Africa.

Do you know the traditional African belief about how one can cure STD and AIDS in particular?
I won't post it here because it's so offensive to any human being that I'll certainly catch flak for it.

Not very Christian. And also explains why it hit them so hard.

1) Punish the innocent as well as the guilty (since HIV can and has been transmitted via blood transfusion or in utero)? Why?

Previous Egypt Plagues didn't discriminate at all.
This time, the effect is overwhelmingly focused on the sinners, with only a tiny proportion of transmission in other ways.
Won't go into blood transfusions not being entirely noncontroversial either, and if you procreate while having HIV... just ending you and letting the child live would not be punishment enough.

[Hathradic States]

It should be taught as a theory, not as fact.

Why?

Because we lack definative proof that we all came from a bunch of bloody microbes.

[Vault 1]

And so obviously god revealed the cure to all his loyal and devoted followers...

They have no need for a cure because they don't engage in activities that lead to getting it.

[The Black Forrest]

Why?

Because we lack definative proof that we all came from a bunch of bloody microbes.

Ok I will bite. Where did we come from?

[Seperates]

It should be taught as a theory, not as fact.

Hath, for the last time, "Theory" in the scientific nomenclature is as close to a "fact" as you can get. Evolution happens. That is as evident as the cycling of day and night. The theory explains how it can create divergence in species, and thus explian the multitude that exist. And it is backed up by countless numbers of fossil, expirimental, and even observed speciation events. It is taught as theory... in the same manner as 1+1=2 is taught as theory.

[Hathradic States]

Because we lack definative proof that we all came from a bunch of bloody microbes.

Ok I will bite. Where did we come from?

Be damned if I know. Is it really that important?

[The Black Forrest]

And so obviously god revealed the cure to all his loyal and devoted followers...

They have no need for a cure because they don't engage in activities that lead to getting it.

Such as the guy on the operating table?

Please put an effort into your trolling. It only managed to make me yawn.