Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[Vault 1]

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

You'd be surprised - that problem has been rectified in 2003.

Why not just make abolishing science your goal?

Abolishing bad science? Well, in part it is.

[Individuality-ness]

I read the edit. It's not as detailed as I would like, but until I can see the report myself, I'll have to accept it. I can see why they would divide the population into strata however...

Yeah, it's not ideal, but I put it there so that there is access to the main data points until the Gallup site is up and running again.

Still, as you said, any argument for creationism based on how many people agree with it is nothing but an argumentum ad populum.

Besides, popular appeal doesn't change the facts. Attempting to sway an argument by saying that "oh, so-and-so thinks this way too!" never works in almost ANY argument, especially if "so-and-so" is your common layman who may or may not be informed about the subject you're arguing about.

[Norstal]

Not to speak to who's right and who is wrong, but just to put it out there - see, the sooner you admit evolution is a lie, the sooner you can come up with another theory.

Even Darwin himself was a theistic evolutionist, not an atheist.

The sooner Western nations lower their educational standards, the sooner we can finish what Genghis started. *nods*

[Seperates]

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

You'd be surprised - that problem has been rectified in 2003.

Why not just make abolishing science your goal?

Abolishing bad science? Well, in part it is.

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is. That is what the scientific community is for, testing and re-testing other scientists expiriments.

[Person012345]

As already pointed out, reality doesn't give a fuck what you, or millions of other people, think.

"Reality" is what people think reality is. A while ago scientists thought fire was caused by phlogiston and anyone claiming otherwise was ridiculed just like how you're trying to ridicule creationists now.

So you think that disease really was caused by miasma back in the old days? And that luminiforous aether really existed before we disbelieved it? Is that what you're saying?

[Seperates]

Not to speak to who's right and who is wrong, but just to put it out there - see, the sooner you admit evolution is a lie, the sooner you can come up with another theory.

Even Darwin himself was a theistic evolutionist, not an atheist.

And actually, that's not true... he was merely a quiet atheist, mostly for the sanity of his very religious wife.

[Norstal]

You'd be surprised - that problem has been rectified in 2003.


Abolishing bad science? Well, in part it is.

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is. That is what the scientific community is for, testing and re-testing other scientists expiriments.

Vault 1 received his MSC. from the Christian University of Herp und Derp. Very renown school.

[Seperates]

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is. That is what the scientific community is for, testing and re-testing other scientists expiriments.

Vault 1 received his MSC. from the Christian University of Herp und Derp. Very renown school.

I mean, for fuck's sake, I'm going to be going to a Catholic College, and they certaintly teach better shit than this.

[Individuality-ness]

Vault 1 received his MSC. from the Christian University of Herp und Derp. Very renown school.

I mean, for fuck's sake, I'm going to be going to a Catholic College, and they certaintly teach better shit than this.

It might, but then again, you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

[Vault 1]

A while ago scientists thought fire was caused by phlogiston and anyone claiming otherwise was ridiculed just like how you're trying to ridicule creationists now.

So you think that disease really was caused by miasma back in the old days? And that luminiforous aether really existed before we disbelieved it? Is that what you're saying?

No. Both of these were wrong, a lot like how evolutionist scientists are today. Science occasionally gets enough correlations for practical tasks, but it rarely if ever gets things right outside the realm of math.

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is.

You are very wrong about that.

Where are your human clones? Stem cell organs? Mars colonies?
The American public gets to say what bad science is, the rest of the world follows, and bad science dies. If it wasn't so old and deep-rooted, evolution theory would've been dead long ago as well.

[Individuality-ness]

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is.

You are very wrong about that.

Where are your human clones? Stem cell organs? Mars colonies?
The American public gets to say what bad science is, the rest of the world follows, and bad science dies. If it wasn't so old and deep-rooted, evolution theory would've been dead long ago as well.

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.
Mars colonies: last I heard, we're still working on making a space shuttle that can get us there, but I could be wrong.

[Seperates]

Fortunatly, you and the American public don't get to say what is 'bad science' is.

You are very wrong about that.

Where are your human clones? Stem cell organs? Mars colonies?
The American public gets to say what bad science is, the rest of the world follows, and bad science dies. If it wasn't so old and deep-rooted, evolution theory would've been dead long ago as well.

Actually, no. That is decided by ethics commitees, and other things, also run by scientists. Human clones? No real purpose, so no research. Stem cells? Look into the research that is going on at UCI. They are at the cutting edge of it. Mars colonies? Not bad science, just not enough marketability to invest.

Stop trolling and start learning, or you'll never stop being a shmuck.

[Person012345]

So you think that disease really was caused by miasma back in the old days? And that luminiforous aether really existed before we disbelieved it? Is that what you're saying?

No. Both of these were wrong, a lot like how evolutionist scientists are today. Science occasionally gets enough correlations for practical tasks, but it rarely if ever gets things right outside the realm of math.

I see you snipped out the relevant part of your post when quoting me.

"Reality" is what people think reality is.

Again, you haven't actually provided any evidence that evolution is wrong, even though it's clearly supported by the facts. On what basis are you claiming that it is wrong?

[Farnhamia]

You are very wrong about that.

Where are your human clones? Stem cell organs? Mars colonies?
The American public gets to say what bad science is, the rest of the world follows, and bad science dies. If it wasn't so old and deep-rooted, evolution theory would've been dead long ago as well.

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.
Mars colonies: last I heard, we're still working on making a space shuttle that can get us there, but I could be wrong.

Trying to convince Vault of anything he doesn't already believe in is pointless. You can lead a bore to science but you can't make him think.

[Vault 1]

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.

Well, yes.
And just like the American public blocked embryo stem cell research, like how it blocked cloning (don't pretend ethics stems from science - science by definition can't have such concepts. Particularly evolutionist science, which has no morals at all, if you make a species extinct, you prove your manliness of "being better than it"), it has the power to eventually banish evolution out of the public school systems and out of popular belief.

[Desperate Measures]

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

You'd be surprised - that problem has been rectified in 2003.

Why not just make abolishing science your goal?

Abolishing bad science? Well, in part it is.

It's too bad that study was from 2006.
"The findings presented are the results of a face-to-face survey conducted from December 17, 2005, to January 20, 2006, by Roper Public Affairs and Media, a part of GfK NOP. Interviews were conducted among a nationwide representative sample of 510 adults age 18-24 in the continental United States. Data were weighted for sample balancing by sex and age. The margin of error for the total sample is +/- 4.4 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level. The margin of error for subgroups is higher. Because of rounding, numbers may not total 100 percent."
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper ... dings.html

[Individuality-ness]

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.

Well, yes.
And just like the American public blocked embryo stem cell research, like how it blocked cloning (don't pretend ethics stems from science - science by definition can't have such concepts. Particularly evolutionist science, which has no morals at all, if you make a species extinct, you prove your manliness of "being better than it"), it has the power to eventually banish evolution out of the public school systems and out of popular belief.

I'm sorry, but I'm an evolutionist, and I don't want to make a species extinct. Ecology issues, you know. But you wouldn't know that, would you, with your assumptions that we're cold heartless people?

And yes, science does have ethics. It's human.

[Runfin]

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.

Well, yes.
And just like the American public blocked embryo stem cell research, like how it blocked cloning (don't pretend ethics stems from science - science by definition can't have such concepts. Particularly evolutionist science, which has no morals at all, if you make a species extinct, you prove your manliness of "being better than it"), it has the power to eventually banish evolution out of the public school systems and out of popular belief.

George Bush does not = The American Public

[Norstal]

Human clones: unethical, due to the process of cloning itself.
Stem-cells: adult stem-cells are of no problem; it's embryonic stem-cells that are controversial, linked to abortion.
Mars colonies: last I heard, we're still working on making a space shuttle that can get us there, but I could be wrong.

Trying to convince Vault of anything he doesn't already believe in is pointless. You can lead a bore to science but you can't make him think.

Or they're trolling/satirizing and you all fell for it.

[Vault 1]

It's too bad that study was from 2006.

Ah. It's not that. I referred to the other problem having been rectified.

[Desperate Measures]

It's too bad that study was from 2006.

Ah. It's not that. I referred to the other problem having been rectified.

What?

[Farnhamia]

Trying to convince Vault of anything he doesn't already believe in is pointless. You can lead a bore to science but you can't make him think.

Or they're trolling/satirizing and you all fell for it.

Oh, I'm sure there's a certain amount of trolling involved, but I do think he actually believes some of the claptrap he spouts.

[Vault 1]

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

What?

The second sentence.

There kind of still is something there, but as an independent, self-governed, sovereign political entity, Iraq doesn't exist anymore.

[Desperate Measures]

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

What?

The second sentence.

There kind of still is something there, but as an independent, self-governed, sovereign political entity, Iraq doesn't exist anymore.

Oh. You ignored the real point. Practiced at that, I guess.

[Vault 1]

Oh. You ignored the real point.

I thought I replied to the real point, but if you want me to put it anviliciously.

"Reality" is what people perceive as reality. What the vast majority of people perceive as reality is what they're being told - by parents, at school, on TV. Tell them one story for all their life and it will be considered self-evident truth.

Today evolution is still one of such stories. Replace it with creation science and it will become perceived reality. Certainly evolution is better at explaining some things, like MRSA and hyenas, but biblical science is better at explaining others, like HIV and whales.