Should Evolution be taught in State Schools?

[The Imperial Alliance of Free States]

110% of blind people have either fallen or not fallen off a cliff.

Night is the most dangerous time for the blind. The second most dangerous? Day.

Leading cause of Death Worldwide

Yup, you guessed it: LIFE

[Vault 1]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

And then evolutionists go on to claim that their belief isn't immoral.

If we allow the teaching of these egotistic and irresponsible theories in schools to continue, soon we won't only be lamenting the loss of dodos, pandas and dolphins, but most all creatures we hold dear - and, eventually, someone will be lamenting the loss of humanity, because they were better than us. But hey, in that case, they will actually be.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

And then evolutionists go on to claim that their belief isn't immoral.

If we allow the teaching of these egotistic and irresponsible theories in schools to continue, soon we won't only be lamenting the loss of dodos, pandas and dolphins, but most all creatures we hold dear - and, eventually, someone will be lamenting the loss of humanity, because they were better than us. But hey, in that case, they will actually be.

Not only do you not make any sense, but you fail to realize facts are facts, and don't give a shit about how you feel about them.

[Person012345]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

And then evolutionists go on to claim that their belief isn't immoral.

If we allow the teaching of these egotistic and irresponsible theories in schools to continue, soon we won't only be lamenting the loss of dodos, pandas and dolphins, but most all creatures we hold dear - and, eventually, someone will be lamenting the loss of humanity, because they were better than us. But hey, in that case, they will actually be.

So then you aren't going to address points and are just going to carry on spewing rhetoric. I mean, is easier to say LOL DEY BE EBIL than to actually think about it right?

Firstly, most of the people doing panda conservation? Evolutionists. Secondly, school shouldn't be teaching children your particular brand of morality. They should be teaching them the damn truth. Even if you didn't like the implications of evolution, that doesn't mean shit. If you think we should teach YOUR version of the big book of morality to everyone, then you should damn well get over yourself. Thirdly, even if it was school's place to teach morality, you can teach both "our actions cause pandas to die out" and "pandas dying out is bad". You know what teaching theistic creationism of the christian brand does? "Oh, it's all god's will so it doesn't really matter". Teaching reality much better prepares them for reality, and doesn't tell them how they should behave.

Evolution literally says nothing on whether evolution is good or bad. It says that it happens. Just because you want to cover your ears and shout "lalala" doesn't make it happen less.

[Mavorpen]

Night is the most dangerous time for the blind. The second most dangerous? Day.

Leading cause of Death Worldwide

Yup, you guessed it: LIFE

95% of forest fires involve fire.

[Vault 1]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

Not only do you not make any sense, but you fail to realize facts are facts, and don't give a shit about how you feel about them.

Even if the theory of evilution was true - I'm not saying it is - this is enough reason not to teach it in schools. We don't want any more egotistical bastards who will kill species critical to our environment just to prove themselves "better".

If parts of microevolution indeed produce useful predictions and have to be taught to pharmacologists, then keep it in specialized postgraduate classes, not out in the open.

[Person012345]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

Not only do you not make any sense, but you fail to realize facts are facts, and don't give a shit about how you feel about them.

Even if the theory of evilution was true - I'm not saying it is - this is enough reason not to teach it in schools. We don't want any more egotistical bastards who will kill species critical to our environment just to prove themselves "better".

If parts of microevolution indeed produce useful predictions and have to be taught to pharmacologists, then keep it in specialized postgraduate classes, not out in the open.

Now actually address my post.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

Not only do you not make any sense, but you fail to realize facts are facts, and don't give a shit about how you feel about them.

Even if the theory of evilution was true - I'm not saying it is - this is enough reason not to teach it in schools. We don't want any more egotistical bastards who will kill species critical to our environment just to prove themselves "better".

If parts of microevolution indeed produce useful predictions and have to be taught to pharmacologists, then keep it in specialized postgraduate classes, not out in the open.

Hahahahaha, Evilution! Yeah, you just lost all credibility. Troll harder.

[Person012345]

Even if the theory of evilution was true - I'm not saying it is - this is enough reason not to teach it in schools. We don't want any more egotistical bastards who will kill species critical to our environment just to prove themselves "better".

If parts of microevolution indeed produce useful predictions and have to be taught to pharmacologists, then keep it in specialized postgraduate classes, not out in the open.

Hahahahaha, Evilution! Yeah, you just lost all credibility. Troll harder.

Just?

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Hahahahaha, Evilution! Yeah, you just lost all credibility. Troll harder.

Just?

I have a lot of faith in humanity, so to speak. Also, I missed most of his posts during a internet blackout.

[Vault 1]

You know how everyone is bawwing that the pandas are going to die? That's natural selection. We're better than Pandas.

Now actually address my post.

Let's see. You presumably attended an evolutionist school. And that's the position you came out of it with.

Thanks, but no. It would probably be better if you attended no school at all. Fortunately, the choice isn't that - we can very well have everyone attend schools, as long as they teach Creation Science.

[Person012345]

Now actually address my post.

Let's see. You presumably attended an evolutionist school. And that's the position you came out of it with.

Thanks, but no. It would probably be better if you attended no school at all. Fortunately, the choice isn't that - we can very well have everyone attend schools, as long as they teach Creation Science.

That's exactly what happened. I was brainwashed by the ebil evolutionists and now you've opened my eyes and I agree that everywhere should teach creationism because evolution is bad and charles darwin was a christian and so was einstein for that matter so it must be right.

[Vault 1]

I was brainwashed by the ebil evolutionists and now you've opened my eyes and I agree that everywhere should teach creationism because evolution is bad and charles darwin was a christian and so was einstein for that matter so it must be right.

Fortunately it's not important what you agree with.

Only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for both God and Darwin—that is, divine initiative to get things started, evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.) Still fewer Americans, only 12 percent, believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any involvement of a god.

It was a mistake to start teaching wild goose chase theories like evolutionism in public schools, and this mistake is being rectified. With you or without you. Elective classes are a good solid start, for no parent in his right mind would send their child to learn scientologist crap.

[Person012345]

As already pointed out, reality doesn't give a fuck what you, or millions of other people, think.

Also, I'm not American, so no, I am not there. And luckily I live in a country where teaching facts is generally not controversial.

[Individuality-ness]

I was brainwashed by the ebil evolutionists and now you've opened my eyes and I agree that everywhere should teach creationism because evolution is bad and charles darwin was a christian and so was einstein for that matter so it must be right.

Fortunately it's not important what you agree with.

You know, ever since I've seen people post this graph up as "proof" that evolutionists are outnumbered by the creationists, I really want to know what survey actually came up with that poll and exactly what they asked. After all, the poll itself could have been biased.

And either way, it does not matter what YOU agree with either, because evolution has been proven, and of course, there's the principle of separation of church and state.

Only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for both God and Darwin—that is, divine initiative to get things started, evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.) Still fewer Americans, only 12 percent, believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any involvement of a god.

It was a mistake to start teaching wild goose chase theories like evolutionism in public schools, and this mistake is being rectified. With you or without you. Elective classes are a good solid start, for no parent in his right mind would send their child to learn scientologist crap.

Who said that evolution is something thought up by L. Ron Hubbard? O.o

And of course our parents in their right minds send their kids to learn evolution. It's called public education.

[Keronians]

Fortunately it's not important what you agree with.

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You know, ever since I've seen people post this graph up as "proof" that evolutionists are outnumbered by the creationists, I really want to know what survey actually came up with that poll and exactly what they asked. After all, the poll itself could have been biased.

And either way, it does not matter what YOU agree with either, because evolution has been proven, and of course, there's the principle of separation of church and state.

It was a mistake to start teaching wild goose chase theories like evolutionism in public schools, and this mistake is being rectified. With you or without you. Elective classes are a good solid start, for no parent in his right mind would send their child to learn scientologist crap.

Who said that evolution is something thought up by L. Ron Hubbard? O.o

And of course our parents in their right minds send their kids to learn evolution. It's called public education.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolut ... esign.aspx

Not available currently, but give it a day, and then open the url.

Huffington Post to the rescue: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 63800.html

[Individuality-ness]

You know, ever since I've seen people post this graph up as "proof" that evolutionists are outnumbered by the creationists, I really want to know what survey actually came up with that poll and exactly what they asked. After all, the poll itself could have been biased.

And either way, it does not matter what YOU agree with either, because evolution has been proven, and of course, there's the principle of separation of church and state.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolut ... esign.aspx

Not available currently, but give it a day, and then open the url.

Is this the full report about the poll, including where they got the sample and the method of sampling? [/statistics-mode]

[Keronians]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolut ... esign.aspx

Not available currently, but give it a day, and then open the url.

Is this the full report about the poll, including where they got the sample and the method of sampling? [/statistics-mode]

See the edit. Not as detailed, obviously, but it'll have to do until the Gallup site is not under maintenance anymore.

I think it does have a link to the method of sampling. Mainly random sampling, although there seem to be hints of then going on to divide the population into strata based on political affiliation and education.

[Individuality-ness]

Is this the full report about the poll, including where they got the sample and the method of sampling? [/statistics-mode]

See the edit. Not as detailed, obviously, but it'll have to do until the Gallup site is not under maintenance anymore.

I think it does have a link to the method of sampling. Mainly random sampling, although there seem to be hints of then going on to divide the population into strata based on political affiliation and education.

I read the edit. It's not as detailed as I would like, but until I can see the report myself, I'll have to accept it. I can see why they would divide the population into strata however...

[Kummen]

I don't want this thread ruined with religous debating, take that somewhere else!

This is a question of morale, should Evolution be taught in schools?

First of all, Evolution is a religous belief, just the same as Creation is. The major difference is that Evolution is supposidly not the belief of a religion, but of the irreligous. However, even that is wrong, is it not the Atheist belief? Are Atheist truly irreligous? They have a theology and beliefs, therefore that must make Atheisim a religion.

Anyway, the topic is should Evolution be taught in Public /State (Government Owned) Schools. I also encourage your thoughts on Atheisims status, is it a religion?

Evolution is not a religious belief, it is a scientific theory. Of course it should be taught in school. Creation is a religious belief and should be taught in church.

Agreed.

[Keronians]

See the edit. Not as detailed, obviously, but it'll have to do until the Gallup site is not under maintenance anymore.

I think it does have a link to the method of sampling. Mainly random sampling, although there seem to be hints of then going on to divide the population into strata based on political affiliation and education.

I read the edit. It's not as detailed as I would like, but until I can see the report myself, I'll have to accept it. I can see why they would divide the population into strata however...

Yeah, it's not ideal, but I put it there so that there is access to the main data points until the Gallup site is up and running again.

Still, as you said, any argument for creationism based on how many people agree with it is nothing but an argumentum ad populum.

[Soviet Grazeland]

Science should be taught in science class, Religion should be taught in the church.

Keep your damn church out of my class room.

[Desperate Measures]

I was brainwashed by the ebil evolutionists and now you've opened my eyes and I agree that everywhere should teach creationism because evolution is bad and charles darwin was a christian and so was einstein for that matter so it must be right.

Fortunately it's not important what you agree with.

Only 37 percent of the polled Americans were satisfied with allowing room for both God and Darwin—that is, divine initiative to get things started, evolution as the creative means. (This view, according to more than one papal pronouncement, is compatible with Roman Catholic dogma.) Still fewer Americans, only 12 percent, believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any involvement of a god.

It was a mistake to start teaching wild goose chase theories like evolutionism in public schools, and this mistake is being rectified. With you or without you. Elective classes are a good solid start, for no parent in his right mind would send their child to learn scientologist crap.

63% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map. I guess that means Iraq probably doesn't exist.

[Vault 1]

As already pointed out, reality doesn't give a fuck what you, or millions of other people, think.

"Reality" is what people think reality is. A while ago scientists thought fire was caused by phlogiston and anyone claiming otherwise was ridiculed just like how you're trying to ridicule creationists now.

Also, I'm not American, so no, I am not there. And luckily I live in a country where teaching facts is generally not controversial.

Well, this thread is AIUI about American state schools. What other countries do isn't so important.

[Desperate Measures]

As already pointed out, reality doesn't give a fuck what you, or millions of other people, think.

"Reality" is what people think reality is. A while ago scientists thought fire was caused by phlogiston and anyone claiming otherwise was ridiculed just like how you're trying to ridicule creationists now.

Also, I'm not American, so no, I am not there. And luckily I live in a country where teaching facts is generally not controversial.

Well, this thread is AIUI about American state schools. What other countries do isn't so important.

Why not just make abolishing science your goal?