Socialist president?

[Trotskylvania]

No we don't.

Obama is a Socialist in the same way that the Dalai Lama is the leader of the Catholic Church.

Let's see-Obama overturned 150 years of US bankruptcy law to see to it personally the UAW ended up with control of GM/Chrysler, but that isn't in any way, shape, or form "putting the means of production in the hands of the workers". The problem with socialists is they're either too stupid to know the truth when it's fed to them in an IV, or too evil to offer more than a partial truth if they should be able to identify one.

Non-voting stock in compensation for both companies reneged liabilities in health care which was immediately divested at a loss for the UAW? Yeah, totally workers control of the means of production.

[Trotskylvania]

Because socialism is inherently hostile to the state, since the state is an institution of class dictatorship.

Only some forms.

Okay, let me put it to you this way: socialists who are not hostile to the state are bad at being socialists.

[Der Landstreicher]

Only some forms.

Okay, let me put it to you this way: socialists who are not hostile to the state are bad at being socialists.

Which is about 90% of socialists.

[Trotskylvania]

Evidence or GTFO.

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

The 1920s austerity lead inexorably to the Great Depression. Furthermore, median standards of living were pretty much stagnant in the period. So try again.

[Trotskylvania]

Okay, let me put it to you this way: socialists who are not hostile to the state are bad at being socialists.

Which is about 90% of socialists.

Unfortunately. But science isn't a popularity contest, so now the job becomes one of convincing people of the facts.

[Blakk Metal]

Only some forms.

Okay, let me put it to you this way: socialists who are not hostile to the state are bad at being socialists.

Agreed.

Okay, let me put it to you this way: socialists who are not hostile to the state are bad at being socialists.

Which is about 90% of socialists.

[Keronians]

Evidence or GTFO.

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

Lol.

[Ordo Drakul]

No, they're completely too different things. I'd even say you can't have laissez faire capitalism because it wouldn't be capitalism, at least to an extent.

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

Checkmate

Again, you cannot differentiate between something someone said and the words you wish to hear-perhaps your sphincter has obstructed your vision?

[Ordo Drakul]

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

The 1920s austerity lead inexorably to the Great Depression. Furthermore, median standards of living were pretty much stagnant in the period. So try again.

Seeing as standards went up dramatically due to the widespread use of electricity in the home, resulting in much more leisure time than previous generations could consider, amenities became commonplace, and the decade got the name "the Roaring Twenties" due to the vast and substantial improvements enjoyed by the average American in this decade, I can only conclude that socialists must depend so entirely upon lies to bolster their positions they have evolved a genetic inability to deny anything only so long as it is true.

[Wirbel]

All I want is to live in a capitalist country. Is that too much to ask for?

[Keronians]

The 1920s austerity lead inexorably to the Great Depression. Furthermore, median standards of living were pretty much stagnant in the period. So try again.

Seeing as standards went up dramatically due to the widespread use of electricity in the home, resulting in much more leisure time than previous generations could consider, amenities became commonplace, and the decade got the name "the Roaring Twenties" due to the vast and substantial improvements enjoyed by the average American in this decade, I can only conclude that socialists must depend so entirely upon lies to bolster their positions they have evolved a genetic inability to deny anything only so long as it is true.

Not really. I think you need to do some research on "the Roaring Twenties", because they weren't as fantastic and marvelous for the average American as you think they were.

That, and the fact that the boom was unsustainable anyway.

[Ardchoille]

... -perhaps your sphincter has obstructed your vision?

Well, gosh darn, all them five-dollar words, lemme just ask my friend Mr Dictionary what he thinks ...

He thinks you're flaming. So do I. Cut it out.

[Chestaan]

All I want is to live in a capitalist country. Is that too much to ask for?

Al I want to do is live in a socialist society. Is that too much to ask for?

[Keronians]

All I want is to live in a capitalist country. Is that too much to ask for?

Al I want to do is live in a socialist society. Is that too much to ask for?

Yes.

[Sedikal]

All I want is to live in a capitalist country. Is that too much to ask for?

Al I want to do is live in a socialist society. Is that too much to ask for?

It's posibal to have a capitalistic economy and a scocialist society.

[Blakk Metal]

Checkmate

Again, you cannot differentiate between something someone said and the words you wish to hear-perhaps your sphincter has obstructed your vision?

You had to 'shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!"', so I won. Why can't you understand this?

[Ordo Drakul]

Again, you cannot differentiate between something someone said and the words you wish to hear-perhaps your sphincter has obstructed your vision?

You had to 'shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!"', so I won. Why can't you understand this?

I said no such thing-You were in fact, the only person to utter that phrase-my post expounded on the Gilded Age being excessive, but nothing compared to socialist regimes-please read these posts.

[Wirbel]

All I want is to live in a capitalist country. Is that too much to ask for?

Al I want to do is live in a socialist society. Is that too much to ask for?

Capitalism is cheaper to implement. And also, socialists only want to change the US because the US still has money from being capitalist for all these years. All the socialists are pretty much broke.

[Blakk Metal]

You had to 'shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!"', so I won. Why can't you understand this?

I said no such thing-You were in fact, the only person to utter that phrase-my post expounded on the Gilded Age being excessive, but nothing compared to socialist regimes-please read these posts.

You seem to using a false dilemma to make 'laissex-faire' capitalism look like the best system.

Here's a tip: DON'T.

[Ordo Drakul]

I said no such thing-You were in fact, the only person to utter that phrase-my post expounded on the Gilded Age being excessive, but nothing compared to socialist regimes-please read these posts.

You seem to using a false dilemma to make 'laissex-faire' capitalism look like the best system.

Here's a tip: DON'T.

There is no fake dilemma-the market will correct itself faster and more efficiently than any hand manipulating it can. The manipulations of arrogant types to 'improve" the market have caused most of the depression cycles-boom or bust is not entirely accurate, but the innovations of new technologies can render industries obsolete, causing all busts not inflicted by an overseeing authority. The market recovers from these and adjusts within nine months if left alone, two and a half years being the longest recorded period, after the Civil War when the South was gutted and destroyed and it's economy needing complete overhaul. The Great Depression was caused by government intervention in the marketplace, and maintained by the same-the economy only began to recover after Roosevelt's socialist policies were discontinued.
Laissez-faire simply IS the best and most profitable economic system, though Big Government insists it can do better, it never has.

[Armed Rabbits]

Good God, I hope not.

[Demphor]

Al I want to do is live in a socialist society. Is that too much to ask for?

Yes.

Why not Liberal Socialism? Half and half!

[Trotskylvania]

The 1920s austerity lead inexorably to the Great Depression. Furthermore, median standards of living were pretty much stagnant in the period. So try again.

Seeing as standards went up dramatically due to the widespread use of electricity in the home, resulting in much more leisure time than previous generations could consider, amenities became commonplace, and the decade got the name "the Roaring Twenties" due to the vast and substantial improvements enjoyed by the average American in this decade, I can only conclude that socialists must depend so entirely upon lies to bolster their positions they have evolved a genetic inability to deny anything only so long as it is true.

Electricity was something only common in urban areas, and very rarely accessible to the working class. Especially when it came to labor saving devices.

The 20s roared because the petty-bourgeoisie had it good. Not because the workers had it well: their hours were still too long to have anything in the way of leisure time, nor the disposable income to spend it on luxuries.

[Kazinstan]

But of course we've already got a socialist president! Just ask the Tea Party. They'll tell ya how they oppose the president because he's a socialist, and they'll tell you how unfair it is that there's a Socialist History Month in February, that the Socialist Panthers blocked the polls in Philadelphia or some place, and how much they loved the movies "School of Rock" and "Nacho Libre", starring the hilarious, chubby comedian, Jack Socialist. And their favorite song is "Paranoid", by the band Socialist Sabbath.

And how some of their friends went deaf from listening to "It's Friday" By Rebbecca Socialist.

[Latin America Union]

No. American people are too filled with propaganda to ever elect a good socialist president.