Socialist president?

[Death Metal]

The problem with socialists is they're either too stupid to know the truth when it's fed to them in an IV, or too evil to offer more than a partial truth if they should be able to identify one.

You could say the exact same thing about laissez-faire capitalists and it would be true, so...

[Ordo Drakul]

The problem with socialists is they're either too stupid to know the truth when it's fed to them in an IV, or too evil to offer more than a partial truth if they should be able to identify one.

You could say the exact same thing about laissez-faire capitalists and it would be true, so...

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

[Blakk Metal]

You could say the exact same thing about laissez-faire capitalists and it would be true, so...

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

O rly?

[Milks Empire]

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right

Evidence or GTFO.

[Herlosk]

In the world of man, man is the means of production, not factories not hammers and nails these do not build independently of people.

If your mental blocks don't stop it from reaching you think what that means.

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[Blakk Metal]

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right

Evidence or GTFO.

How dare you act that way, commie!

[Milks Empire]

Evidence or GTFO.

How dare you act that way, commie!

The last time I checked, I don't need your permission for shit. Don't like that? TOUGH.

[Ordo Drakul]

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right

Evidence or GTFO.

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

[Ordo Drakul]

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

O rly?

Oooooooh-wikipedia...although I'm not seeing fail or body counts to compare with socialism-or any body count or fail, for that matter...

[Milks Empire]

Evidence or GTFO.

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.
And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

Those do not constitute evidence. Those constitute unproven assertions. Produce real evidence. Perusable sources. With numbers.

[Ulvena]

The problem with socialists is they're either too stupid to know the truth when it's fed to them in an IV, or too evil to offer more than a partial truth if they should be able to identify one.

O Rly?

But seriously: Total Socialism is bad. But total capitalism? Pure evil.

[Blakk Metal]

Evidence or GTFO.

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

Revisionist bullshit. The Great Depression turned from a deep recession to a depression because of austerity.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

Yugoslavia

O rly?

Oooooooh-wikipedia...although I'm not seeing fail or body counts to compare with socialism-or any body count or fail, for that matter...

All the people who died in workplace accidents and because of PDA brutality count as people?

[Ordo Drakul]

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.
And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

Those do not constitute evidence. Those constitute unproven assertions. Produce real evidence. Perusable sources. With numbers.

Provable history IS evidence-provide some for your side instead of snotty platitudes if you wish to be taken seriously.

[Ordo Drakul]

The 1920s-austerity and smaller government created an unprecedented and unduplicated across the board improvement in the standard of living until the government decided to intervene.

Revisionist bullshit. The Great Depression turned from a deep recession to a depression because of austerity.

And Hong Kong-show me the socialist equivalent of Hong Kong.

Yugoslavia

Oooooooh-wikipedia...although I'm not seeing fail or body counts to compare with socialism-or any body count or fail, for that matter...

All the people who died in workplace accidents and because of PDA brutality count as people?

1) The government issued excessive currency to aid Britain in re-establishing the gold standard, putting too much cheap money into circulation. When the Depression hit, the President arranged for wages not to be cut, increasing costs. the government then embarked on a series of ill-fated socialist programs that maintained and deepened the Great Depression to the extent FDR ran through two Secretaries of the Treasury protesting his actions. Hardly revisionist.
2)Yugoslavia will be up to the 1950s only after capitalism took over-not a good example considering Hong Kong has no natural resources and only capitalism keeps it afloat as the most populated city on the planet with a standard of living comparable to that of the US.
3) Accidents happen-more people in the 20th century died due to the psychotic dysfunction of socialist supply systems than died in both World Wars, and that doesn't include the various wars of socialism, the pogroms, purges, and other mass killings such regimes find necessary to survival. The workplace accidents cannot be ascribed to any system as they occur in any system, and I'll match Gilded Age PDA brutality vs. socialist business as usual any day.

[Der Landstreicher]

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

O rly?

Well yes, that's not laissez faire in any sense of the term. It's certainly an example of capitalism, and a good one at that. But not of "laissez faire."

[Blakk Metal]

O rly?

Well yes, that's not laissez faire in any sense of the term. It's certainly an example of capitalism, and a good one at that. But not of "laissez faire."

Translation: "It isn't REAL laissez-faire capitalism!"

[Der Landstreicher]

Well yes, that's not laissez faire in any sense of the term. It's certainly an example of capitalism, and a good one at that. But not of "laissez faire."

Translation: "It isn't REAL laissez-faire capitalism!"

No, they're completely too different things. I'd even say you can't have laissez faire capitalism because it wouldn't be capitalism, at least to an extent.

[Blakk Metal]

Translation: "It isn't REAL laissez-faire capitalism!"

No, they're completely too different things. I'd even say you can't have laissez faire capitalism because it wouldn't be capitalism, at least to an extent.

You could say the exact same thing about laissez-faire capitalists and it would be true, so...

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

Checkmate

[Lamaredia]

As long as they remain from the "Socialist Party", nope.

You think that americans wouldn't recognize a socialist agenda?

Absolutely it could happen. Democrats and Republicans have been elected, and they are pretty much socialists. Maybe Socialists Lite (tm).

I see what you mean. But you should use the word Statist. That would avoid confusions.

To respond the OP: Not likely to happen. And I fucking hope it will never happen.

Why would you not want a socialist president? Sweden's government is socialist and we are doing good for ourselves (Several times better than America)

[Der Landstreicher]

No, they're completely too different things. I'd even say you can't have laissez faire capitalism because it wouldn't be capitalism, at least to an extent.

Except laissez-faire capitalists are always proven right and never have to shrilly screech that "It isn't REAL laissex-faire capitalism!" to swerve away from a body count or other horrendous fail.

Checkmate

Wut?

[New Joshlands]

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - American socialist Norman Thomas

"The American people will take socialism, they just won't take the title... Running on the socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes and running on the slogan 'End Poverty In California' I got 879,000 votes." - American socialist Upton Sinclair

Ever since our first progressive President Woodrow Wilson and the worst President ever FDR, we have slowly been sliding into socialism. The American people have the wool pulled over their eyes and actually believe that the USA was a lawless, POS wasteland until gun control, minimum wage, welfare programs, and a billion federal agencies like those jerks at the EPA, ATF, etc.

[Raumm]

Americans are socialist in denial. They envy the quality of life enjoyed by Europeans , but act as if socialism is the devil-manifest, because they are told so by Friedman's spawn in the media and in politics.

[Der Landstreicher]

Americans are socialist in denial. They envy the quality of life enjoyed by Europeans , but act as if socialism is the devil-manifest, because they are told so by Friedman's spawn in the media and in politics.

The problem is Europe isn't socialist.

[Raumm]

Americans are socialist in denial. They envy the quality of life enjoyed by Europeans , but act as if socialism is the devil-manifest, because they are told so by Friedman's spawn in the media and in politics.

The problem is Europe isn't socialist.

No they are not, but they are considerably more progressive and social democrats are the reason for this.

[Der Landstreicher]

The problem is Europe isn't socialist.

No they are not, but they are considerably more progressive and social democrats are the reason for this.

"More progressive" =/= "closer to socialism"

And it has little to do with "social democrats" or any particular party. The welfare state is supported by practically all parties in Europe, it's just to varying degrees.