Socialist president?

[Keronians]

Umm... False.

not he is far left than most democrats he is socialsing education more health care and restricting business growth ie pipline

Please. He is not far left. At the most, he is a left leaning centrist. Personally, I think even that's too much of an exaggeration, and would put him down as a centrist.

The USA has no real left wing. It has a party (the GOP) that's centre-right to far right, and another that's centrist to centre-right.

[Blakk Metal]

Umm... False.

not he He is far left wimpier than most democrats Democrats. he He is not socialsing nationalizing education more or insuring health care and restricting has done little to help business growth ie pipline.

Corrected.

[Jello Biafra]

It would require a massive shift against the cultural hegemony of capitalism first.

[Raumm]

It would require a massive shift against the cultural hegemony of capitalism first.

I don't think that would be that difficult within the middle and lower classes...

[Jello Biafra]

It would require a massive shift against the cultural hegemony of capitalism first.

I don't think that would be that difficult within the middle and lower classes...

It's just as entrenched there as anywhere. People in those classes tend to wish to move up in the ranks of capitalism, instead of wishing for a society without ranks (or at least one where there are fewer ranks and they aren't as rigid).

[Blakk Metal]

I don't think that would be that difficult within the middle and lower classes...

It's just as entrenched there as anywhere. People in those classes tend to wish to move up in the ranks of capitalism, instead of wishing for a society without ranks (or at least one where there are fewer ranks and they aren't as rigid).

They will once Romney wins.

[Altorum]

It's just as entrenched there as anywhere. People in those classes tend to wish to move up in the ranks of capitalism, instead of wishing for a society without ranks (or at least one where there are fewer ranks and they aren't as rigid).

They will once Romney wins.

HAHAHAHAHA very funny. If anything the gaps between classes will widen if Romney is elected.

[Silent Majority]

I think the only way socialism or similar left-wing ideologies could take root is if we dismantled welfare, social security, medicaid, workplace protections, and other parts of the social safety net. Right now those at the bottom are able to survive because of these protections, and when that is combined with the perhaps futile hope of one day climbing the socio-economic ladder then people are willing to tolerate the system we have, but if those protections went away, people would no longer have much to lose, the hope of one day having a better life would be replaced by the fear of not having enough food or necessary medical care, any ideology that promised to eliminate those fears would become extremely popular among the lower classes. Ironically the only conditions that would allow the deconstruction of the social safety net would be if we elected some Tea Partier president and the republicans controlled both houses of congress.

[Blakk Metal]

They will once Romney wins.

HAHAHAHAHA very funny. If anything the gaps between classes will widen if Romney is elected.

Do you know how to read? That is not what I said.

I think the only way socialism or similar left-wing ideologies could take root is if we dismantled welfare, social security, medicaid, workplace protections, and other parts of the social safety net. Right now those at the bottom are able to survive because of these protections, and when that is combined with the perhaps futile hope of one day climbing the socio-economic ladder then people are willing to tolerate the system we have, but if those protections went away, people would no longer have much to lose, the hope of one day having a better life would be replaced by the fear of not having enough food or necessary medical care, any ideology that promised to eliminate those fears would become extremely popular among the lower classes. Ironically the only conditions that would allow the deconstruction of the social safety net would be if we elected some Tea Partier president and the republicans controlled both houses of congress.

This is what I meant.

[Ski Apache Nation]

I think the only way socialism or similar left-wing ideologies could take root is if we dismantled welfare, social security, medicaid, workplace protections, and other parts of the social safety net. Right now those at the bottom are able to survive because of these protections, and when that is combined with the perhaps futile hope of one day climbing the socio-economic ladder then people are willing to tolerate the system we have, but if those protections went away, people would no longer have much to lose, the hope of one day having a better life would be replaced by the fear of not having enough food or necessary medical care, any ideology that promised to eliminate those fears would become extremely popular among the lower classes. Ironically the only conditions that would allow the deconstruction of the social safety net would be if we elected some Tea Partier president and the republicans controlled both houses of congress.

Right. You try surviving on America's "safety net". It isn't possible for most, and for the rest, it's just plain maddening.

[Silent Majority]

I think the only way socialism or similar left-wing ideologies could take root is if we dismantled welfare, social security, medicaid, workplace protections, and other parts of the social safety net. Right now those at the bottom are able to survive because of these protections, and when that is combined with the perhaps futile hope of one day climbing the socio-economic ladder then people are willing to tolerate the system we have, but if those protections went away, people would no longer have much to lose, the hope of one day having a better life would be replaced by the fear of not having enough food or necessary medical care, any ideology that promised to eliminate those fears would become extremely popular among the lower classes. Ironically the only conditions that would allow the deconstruction of the social safety net would be if we elected some Tea Partier president and the republicans controlled both houses of congress.

Right. You try surviving on America's "safety net". It isn't possible for most, and for the rest, it's just plain maddening.

When combined with the attitude that maybe if you get lucky and work hard enough you'll become a millionaire, it is enough to keep people from turning to socialism. In addition, as bad as the conditions today are for many who live in poverty, they are much better than the conditions that existed during the industrial revolution,.

[Kudunduna]

I dont know much about electoral results or the campaign strategy (if any) of the Socialist Party of the United States. That being said, I doubt Socialism would ever take hold in this nation. Besides a borderline neo McCarthyist streak in the Tea Party, the fact of the matter is that not one, but two major events have discredited socialism, those being the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and the ongoing financial collapse of some western European nations (Greece in particular).

Of course that does not mean we wont see more localism or regulation in the future. But it will be more of a "fair capitalist" than "socialist" slant in my opinion.

[Ryanisking]

not he is far left than most democrats

Horseshit.

he is socialsing education

Source?

more health care

Forcing people to buy from the PRIVATE SECTOR is not socialism. Fascism, perhaps, but not socialism in the slightest.

and restricting business growth ie pipline

Fuck big business.

note that website isnt pure econemics on the scal

[Blakk Metal]

Horseshit.


Source?


Forcing people to buy from the PRIVATE SECTOR is not socialism. Fascism, perhaps, but not socialism in the slightest.


Fuck big business.

note that website isnt pure econemics on the scal

Could you actually make a real argument?

[Altorum]

HAHAHAHAHA very funny. If anything the gaps between classes will widen if Romney is elected.

Do you know how to read? That is not what I said.

I think the only way socialism or similar left-wing ideologies could take root is if we dismantled welfare, social security, medicaid, workplace protections, and other parts of the social safety net. Right now those at the bottom are able to survive because of these protections, and when that is combined with the perhaps futile hope of one day climbing the socio-economic ladder then people are willing to tolerate the system we have, but if those protections went away, people would no longer have much to lose, the hope of one day having a better life would be replaced by the fear of not having enough food or necessary medical care, any ideology that promised to eliminate those fears would become extremely popular among the lower classes. Ironically the only conditions that would allow the deconstruction of the social safety net would be if we elected some Tea Partier president and the republicans controlled both houses of congress.

This is what I meant.

Oh, my bad. I thought you were saying that the gaps would get smaller.

[Death Metal]

We have one

No we don't.

Obama is a Socialist in the same way that the Dalai Lama is the leader of the Catholic Church.

[North California]

Republicans and Democrats already advocate for big government statists, so why not a socialist?


But, if any third party has a chance, it's the Libertarians, and I would certainly love to see them run the show. Although, libertarians will get more of their power by infiltrating the GOP, rather than with their own party.

[Death Metal]

But, if any third party has a chance, it's the Libertarians, and I would certainly love to see them run the show.

Well, they would certainly run the show completely off a cliff, so at least you'd get to see a cool explosion at the end.

[North California]

But, if any third party has a chance, it's the Libertarians, and I would certainly love to see them run the show.

Well, they would certainly run the show completely off a cliff, so at least you'd get to see a cool explosion at the end.

Can't do as bad as what the Republicrats have done.

[Death Metal]

Well, they would certainly run the show completely off a cliff, so at least you'd get to see a cool explosion at the end.

Can't do as bad as what the Republicrats have done.

Nah, they'd do it the Max Power way.

But isn't that just the wrong way?

Yes, but FASTER!

[Silent Majority]

Well, they would certainly run the show completely off a cliff, so at least you'd get to see a cool explosion at the end.

Can't do as bad as what the Republicrats have done.

I'm not sure where people get this idea that Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same. It's completely groundless, and becomes more and more inaccurate by the day.

[Death Metal]

Can't do as bad as what the Republicrats have done.

I'm not sure where people get this idea that Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same. It's completely groundless, and becomes more and more inaccurate by the day.

They are totally different. One is a capitalist system that operates by the principles of FA Hayek, and is constantly bombarded and smeared by biased media.

The other, of course, is the Republican Party.

[Trotskylvania]

Republicans and Democrats already advocate for big government statists, so why not a socialist?

Because socialism is inherently hostile to the state, since the state is an institution of class dictatorship.

[North California]

Can't do as bad as what the Republicrats have done.

I'm not sure where people get this idea that Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same. It's completely groundless, and becomes more and more inaccurate by the day.

Both Republicans and Democrats are warmongers. Both support Keynesian economics. Both support the Federal Reserve (except for Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich). Both support the bailouts. Both support the Department of Homeland Security. Both support the Patriot Act/NDAA

They agree on all the bad stuff.

[North California]

I'm not sure where people get this idea that Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same. It's completely groundless, and becomes more and more inaccurate by the day.

They are totally different. One is a capitalist system that operates by the principles of FA Hayek, and is constantly bombarded and smeared by biased media.

The other, of course, is the Republican Party.

Edit: They try to appear as if they are totally different. One is a crony-capitalist system that pretends it operates by the principles of FA Hayek, and is constantly bombarded and smeared by biased media, minus one new channel that favors them.

The other, of course, is it's cousin, the Democratic Party