Socialist president?

[Divair]

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Closest we've ever gotten to a Socialist president.

Even though he was barely a social democrat. Kinda sad how far right wing the USA is compared to everyone else.

[Venus Orange]

Nationalist/patriotic authoritarianism is a lot like Fascism of yore.

That's the problem, it really isn't. Fascism takes power quickly, and is totalitarian. The sort of authoritarianism that appears to be cropping up in the west (actually, it isn't in the US) it a gradual process.

Fair enough.

I don't see how you could say authoritarianism or some similar system of control isn't rapidly coming to the US. To me, things like the USA Patriot Act, ordering assassination of US citizens overseas without trial for suspected crimes, using spy drones domestically, collecting private information, keeping millions on watch/no-fly lists, and allowing for indefinite detention of citizens without trial... all seem to be building towards some form of deeper control.

[Socialist EU]

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Closest we've ever gotten to a Socialist president.

Even though he was barely a social democrat. Kinda sad how far right wing the USA is compared to everyone else.

Even so-called progressive leaning democrat supporters are willing to hang themselves. The far-left is virtually non-existent and the "progressives" and democrat supporters are pretty much doomed it seems. The only moderately positive development in the US is the occupy movement, and let's be honest, that is rather limited. Btw, the left is in a sorry state in Britain too!

[Vistulange]

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Closest we've ever gotten to a Socialist president.

Even though he was barely a social democrat. Kinda sad how far right wing the USA is compared to everyone else.

I daresay the Thatcher era in England pulled their politics to the right forever.

[Wamitoria]

Even though he was barely a social democrat. Kinda sad how far right wing the USA is compared to everyone else.

I daresay the Thatcher era in England pulled their politics to the right forever.

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

[Coccygia]

I daresay the Thatcher era in England pulled their politics to the right forever.

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

Oh wait...you're serious...

[Vistulange]

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

Ah, I'm no Brit, I'm Turkish. Thanks to the coups of '60 and 80', however, our left is a bumbling mess as well.

[Socialist EU]

I daresay the Thatcher era in England pulled their politics to the right forever.

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

No, we have a European one.

[Wamitoria]

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

No, we have a European one.

Yet your governments can still prevent the publishing and sale of videogames that you deem offensive.

[Wamitoria]

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

Ah, I'm no Brit, I'm Turkish. Thanks to the coups of '60 and 80', however, our left is a bumbling mess as well.

You too? Judging by the comments by Kemaliste (you might have heard of him, he's kind of our go-to Turkish nationalist) they're pretty much a basket case. I'm so sorry.

[Vistulange]

You too? Judging by the comments by Kemaliste (you might have heard of him, he's kind of our go-to Turkish nationalist) they're pretty much a basket case. I'm so sorry.

I have, I even think I get along with him quite well. His views don't differ with me much, so...yeah.

However, I do think we haven't had ANY good presidents nor prime ministers ever since Atatürk. We're a basket case, yeah.

[Genivaria]

Vote for me and you might get one.

"Third Way Social Democrat"

Tony Blair wasn't a socialist, and neither are you.

I think I'll be the judge of what I am thank you very much.

[Blakk Metal]

1. Look at the underlined
2. Socialism still eliminates property rights and free trade.

Have you ever heard of mutualism?

Yes.I've never really considered it socialist though. And it since it's never gonna happen anyways...

When did I say it?

Socialism is dead, except in Cuba and North Korea.

It's probably statements like this that have me so "confused".

They were never communist.

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Closest we've ever gotten to a Socialist president.

And even then, he was a social democrat.

Read the underlined

Nationalist/patriotic authoritarianism is a lot like Fascism of yore.

That's the problem, it really isn't. Fascism takes power quickly, and is totalitarian. The sort of authoritarianism that appears to be cropping up in the west (actually, it isn't in the US) it a gradual process.

Do you even live here?

[Wamitoria]

Do you even live here?

Yes, I'm also older than you and remember that it's actually gotten better over the years.

[Demen 2]

As long as they remain from the "Socialist Party", nope.

You think that americans wouldn't recognize a socialist agenda?

Absolutely it could happen. Democrats and Republicans have been elected, and they are pretty much socialists. Maybe Socialists Lite (tm).

I see what you mean. But you should use the word Statist. That would avoid confusions.

To respond the OP: Not likely to happen. And I fucking hope it will never happen.

No, they wouldn't notice a socialist agenda. A lot think that Obama's socialist.

[Souseiseki]

Obama is not a socialist. He's a capitalist who believes in public programs, so do the Republicans. He's no more socialist than any of the Nordic countries are.

No TRUE capitalist harbors faith in public programs.

Who made you the king of the fucking capitalists? Do you know what the term actually means? Even if you "love capitalism more then most things in life" there's no binary TRUE CAPITALIST to build a barrier against everyone who doesn't agree with your ideology, being untrue capitalists or Scotsmen, and if there was you certainly wouldn't be making that call.

[Keronians]

No TRUE capitalist harbors faith in public programs.

Who made you the king of the fucking capitalists? Do you know what the term actually means? Even if you "love capitalism more then most things in life" there's no binary TRUE CAPITALIST to build a barrier against everyone who doesn't agree with your ideology, being untrue capitalists or Scotsmen, and if there was you certainly wouldn't be making that call.

Leave it.

I recommend:

1) Smile.
2) Say yes.
3) Go away.

[Ski Apache Nation]

Absolutely it could happen. Democrats and Republicans have been elected, and they are pretty much socialists. Maybe Socialists Lite (tm).

Excuse me, the day American politicians become anything other than duplicitous bastards, pigs will fly.

[Vecherd]

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Closest we've ever gotten to a Socialist president.

Even though he was barely a social democrat. Kinda sad how far right wing the USA is compared to everyone else.

Yup. As far-right as Denmark even!

[Kemaliste]

Indeed. At least we Americans have protections against censorship and other types of government bullshittery. You Brits don't really have a written constitution, so...

Ah, I'm no Brit, I'm Turkish. Thanks to the coups of '60 and 80', however, our left is a bumbling mess as well.

How can you consider the both dates equal even though you are a Turkish, and moreoever, a left-winger ?

[Der Landstreicher]

Have you ever heard of mutualism?

Yes.I've never really considered it socialist though.

It most certainly is a form of socialism.
Proudhon is probably one of the most influential socialist thinkers to come about.

[Mosasauria]

Technically, there have been socialist presidents, but there have been no Socialist presidents.

[Raumm]

There should be a socialist thread, not just the social democrat one, considering how big it is here in NS... But yes there could be a socialist president, but the media would need to cover it and the campaign would need enough funds to do a media campaign to convince people they weren't
"neo-soviets"( that's how most Americans think of socialist). They would have to pull a ross perot but even better.

[Eviliatopia]

I see you're just beginning to find out that socialism is not nearly as black and white as you like to portray it.

Socialism is shit, and has failed in every country it was implemented. Cooperatives, under a Capitalist Market, have nothing to do with Socialism, they are just free associations of voluntary workers. Incidentally, that's called Mutualism within the market.

"All oppressing classes stand in need of two social functions to safeguard their rule: the function of the hangman and the function of the priest. The hangman is required to quell the protests and indignation of the oppressed..." The Collapse of the Second International

Because the Capitalist Western World is currently dominated by evil christian oppressors and by fascist coppers who routinely shoot protestors on sight?

Sorry, I'm leaving soon. I have a rendez-vous with planet Earth.

It's embarrassing to see a fellow European masochistically follow an ideology that doesn't have his own interests nor liberation at heart.

Lol, the fellow European's ancestors were enslaved and killed by people who pretended to " have their own interests and liberation at heart ".

I can't see AnCaps making such an arrogant claim, nor trying to tell me what to think and how to behave. Socialists constantly do that.

You and DM are great example of such behaviours. But, you are able to not use insults ( see DM claiming that " Arbeit macht frei" could be my motto ) and to not sound batshit insane.

That's a good thing.

Ah, I see, so you're not an AnCap then? Btw, you're actually marginalising yourself, see above.

AnCaps are Libertarian Capitalists. That's why I said "Libs".

[Risottia]

Absolutely it could happen. Democrats and Republicans have been elected, and they are pretty much socialists. Maybe Socialists Lite (tm).

Yup, just look at Reagan. He sure was a crypto-commie.