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Postby Alyekra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:11 pm

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I'm not saying that all scientists have to believe in God, but even atheistic scientists assume that certain things (The laws of logic, for instance) will be the same today as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow, and they can not account for that assumption without at least a god.

You might be surprised that scientists have been managing happily for decades, if not centuries, without any such need. Metaphysics has come a long way since Descartes. Logic, as we know it, descends from a bunch of principles that are either accepted as true (identity, A = A) or derived from such principles by reasoning. There's even a long proof that 1 + 1 = 2 by Gottlob Frege and Bertrand Russell, such is the state of our ability to reason without reference to the supernatural.

Everything else is -- at least in principle -- tentative. Today's rock-solid observation may be tomorrow's instrument error and misinterpretation. We know that some of our ideas are either wrong (General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics do not work and play well together) or incomplete (a lot of biology, especially at the molecular and ecological scales). We stumble forward regardless.


So how do you know your (or Gottlob Frege's and Bertrand Russell's) reasoning is valid?
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Postby Keronians » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:12 pm

Kazhanistan wrote:I suck at math so chemist and physicist are out of the question, so probably an earth science like zoology or environmental science.


You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).

Anyway, I never took biology beyond high school level, so I wouldn't know. Took physics and chemistry, though, and chemistry, though not as maths-y as physics, does involve a lot of advanced maths.
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Postby Alyekra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:14 pm

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Kazhanistan wrote:I suck at math so chemist and physicist are out of the question, so probably an earth science like zoology or environmental science.


You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).


He didn't say biology, he said Zoology. I can't think of (Off the top of my head) how math would be required for Zoology, but I'm probably wrong about this. A Zoologist I am not.
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Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:14 pm

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Postby Manahakatouki » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:15 pm

Alyekra wrote:
Keronians wrote:
You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).


He didn't say biology, he said Zoology. I can't think of (Off the top of my head) how math would be required for Zoology, but I'm probably wrong about this. A Zoologist I am not.


Well to become a zoologist, quite a bit of biology has to be taken I believe...

Depending on where you go in zoology of course...
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Postby Codzania » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Kinda Sensible people wrote:
Codzania wrote:A theologist is not a scientist. If anything, they generally directly conflict with scientific progress.


I agree with the first sentence, but the second is a bit short-sighted really. Which theologians are we speaking of? John Dee who helped bring Euclid to England? Pythagoras, perhaps? The Alexandrians? Do not mistake the contemporary for the absolute.


I was referring to modern theologians.
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Postby Alyekra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Manahakatouki wrote:
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He didn't say biology, he said Zoology. I can't think of (Off the top of my head) how math would be required for Zoology, but I'm probably wrong about this. A Zoologist I am not.


Well to become a zoologist, quite a bit of biology has to be taken I believe...

Depending on where you go in zoology of course...


When I think Zoology I think Steve Irwin, so idk.
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Postby Keronians » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Alyekra wrote:
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You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).


He didn't say biology, he said Zoology. I can't think of (Off the top of my head) how math would be required for Zoology, but I'm probably wrong about this. A Zoologist I am not.


I'd assume he would have to take higher level biology in order to study zoology.
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Postby Alyekra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:18 pm

Keronians wrote:
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He didn't say biology, he said Zoology. I can't think of (Off the top of my head) how math would be required for Zoology, but I'm probably wrong about this. A Zoologist I am not.


I'd assume he would have to take higher level biology in order to study zoology.


I found it.

A bachelor degree in an natural sciences field such as zoology, ecology, general biology, animal science, or wildlife biology is the minimum requirement for a career in zoology or wildlife biology. However the job market is extremely competitive so higher degrees, like a masters or doctoral degree, may increase chances for career advancement.

In addition to formal education, informal job training through internships and volunteering is recommended. Informal training is a way of showing prospective employers your dedication as well as a valuable way of gaining real world experience. Local museums, aquariums, zoos, and nature preserves often offer volunteer opportunities.
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Postby Kinda Sensible people » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:18 pm

Codzania wrote:I was referring to modern theologians.


Again, which ones? Karen Armstrong, perhaps, who has spoken endlessly of anti-modernist trends in fundamentalism? Christopher Lehrich, whose writing on the relationship between the occult and the scientific in the late middle ages and renaissance has attempted to demonstrate the theological reasons for science? It just ain't that simple.

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Postby Kazhanistan » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:20 pm

Keronians wrote:
Kazhanistan wrote:I suck at math so chemist and physicist are out of the question, so probably an earth science like zoology or environmental science.


You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).

Anyway, I never took biology beyond high school level, so I wouldn't know. Took physics and chemistry, though, and chemistry, though not as maths-y as physics, does involve a lot of advanced maths.

Well actually I have average math skills, which compared to everybody else in this thread probably sucks.

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Postby Manahakatouki » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:24 pm

Kazhanistan wrote:
Keronians wrote:
You're going to have problems if you can't handle maths, although biology should be the one with the least maths involved (though it still has a pretty significant amount).

Anyway, I never took biology beyond high school level, so I wouldn't know. Took physics and chemistry, though, and chemistry, though not as maths-y as physics, does involve a lot of advanced maths.

Well actually I have average math skills, which compared to everybody else in this thread probably sucks.


I'm with you here actually...

I'm more of a social sciences kind of guy, but with a background interest in biology...

I've been told to take something with anthropology, but I don't know what kind of job that could get you...
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Postby Bordurian » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:28 pm

Probably Biology.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:28 pm

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It makes me sad that I'm in tenth grade and people are still mispronouncing ridiculously easy words when forced to read out loud.
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Postby Keronians » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:28 pm

Manahakatouki wrote:
Kazhanistan wrote:Well actually I have average math skills, which compared to everybody else in this thread probably sucks.


I'm with you here actually...

I'm more of a social sciences kind of guy, but with a background interest in biology...

I've been told to take something with anthropology, but I don't know what kind of job that could get you...


Social sciences? Me too.

Although I think my maths skills are above average. I just like maths. And I'm looking into economics, which involves a great deal of maths, so...
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Postby Alyekra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Inky Noodles wrote:

It makes me sad that I'm in tenth grade and people are still mispronouncing ridiculously easy words when forced to read out loud.


Yeah? Well you're lucky you can hear your peers read out loud, mine mumble like I'll get out.
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Postby Mosasauria » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Bordurian wrote:Probably Biology.

That's a very, very broad field. Anything specific?
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Postby Allemonde » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Ecologist- I'm going to go to school for it at UGA here. I'm at GPC in Atlanta right now.
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Postby Keronians » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Alyekra wrote:
Keronians wrote:
I'd assume he would have to take higher level biology in order to study zoology.


I found it.

A bachelor degree in an natural sciences field such as zoology, ecology, general biology, animal science, or wildlife biology is the minimum requirement for a career in zoology or wildlife biology. However the job market is extremely competitive so higher degrees, like a masters or doctoral degree, may increase chances for career advancement.

In addition to formal education, informal job training through internships and volunteering is recommended. Informal training is a way of showing prospective employers your dedication as well as a valuable way of gaining real world experience. Local museums, aquariums, zoos, and nature preserves often offer volunteer opportunities.


I see.
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Postby Kazhanistan » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:29 pm

Manahakatouki wrote:
Kazhanistan wrote:Well actually I have average math skills, which compared to everybody else in this thread probably sucks.


I'm with you here actually...

I'm more of a social sciences kind of guy, but with a background interest in biology...

I've been told to take something with anthropology, but I don't know what kind of job that could get you...

Same here, I like studying foreign cultures and history so I'll probably try to go for an international relations degree or something along those lines.

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Postby Manahakatouki » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:31 pm

Keronians wrote:
Manahakatouki wrote:
I'm with you here actually...

I'm more of a social sciences kind of guy, but with a background interest in biology...

I've been told to take something with anthropology, but I don't know what kind of job that could get you...


Social sciences? Me too.

Although I think my maths skills are above average. I just like maths. And I'm looking into economics, which involves a great deal of maths, so...


There you go. That's the only social science that I couldn't keep a conversation with, as I'm economically challenged, no matter how much I try to educate myself...
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