People dropping US Citizenship

[Ifreann]

Dropping US citizenship seems stupid. So many people want it, its a privilege, at least in my opinion. I'm so thankful to be a US citizen and live in this country.

Lots of people want coffee enemas, too. Is it stupid to refuse one?

[Risottia]

Dropping US citizenship seems stupid. So many people want it, its a privilege, at least in my opinion. I'm so thankful to be a US citizen and live in this country.

Lots of people want coffee enemas, too. Is it stupid to refuse one?

Evidently Disserbia thinks so.
I have an espresso machine right here.

[Atheimsa]

Normally if you recline your cititzenship you do it in favour of another- you can't just go become state less . Maybe the people have dual cititzen ship wan they chose to drop one. You know a cititzenship of a European state aint bad either .

[No Water No Moon]

Dropping US citizenship seems stupid. So many people want it, its a privilege, at least in my opinion. I'm so thankful to be a US citizen and live in this country.

Lots of people want coffee enemas, too. Is it stupid to refuse one?

Right. That's abso.....


Wait... what?

Coffee enemas?



Ow?

[Ethel mermania]

Where exactly are you from that you feel like you even know what human rights abuses look like? Because in the 10 years I have lived in the U.S. I have NEVER once seen anything that remotely resembled a human rights violation. Try living in Turkmenistan for a month then come to me talking about human rights violations.

Of course you won’t see such things. That's what Gitmo and extraordinary renditions are for. Out of sight, out of mind...

Yea, american citizens are dragged off to cuba every day. /sarcasm off
You don't think the families would raise a stink?

A cop spraying pepper spray in someones eyes is not a human rights violation, its a rogue cop.

To the topic people get, and renounce citizenships all the time, if you want to evade taxes, go to singapore, if you want to spend a year in europe and travel., its eaiser to get citizenship over there first. Every country has differenet regulations. If I remember right, an american needs a visa if he or she stays more than 30 consecutive days in a foreign country. I think the european laws are different.

[Farnhamia]

Lots of people want coffee enemas, too. Is it stupid to refuse one?

Right. That's abso.....


Wait... what?

Coffee enemas?



Ow?

They let it cool off first.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Right. That's abso.....


Wait... what?

Coffee enemas?



Ow?

They let it cool off first.

Only if they like you...

[Farnhamia]

Actually dropping US Citizenship is the worst thing you could do if you fear prosecution by the US government, as if you are sent back to the United States to face charges; then you lose the legal rights you would have had as a US citizen. I will never drop my US citizenship, besides if I did that I couldn't join the 'Sons of liberty' and all those other silly groups; that I have some blood claim to be a member of.

Non-citizens are entitled to the same constitutional protections that citizens are, when in US jurisdiction (Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)).

Anyway, how many people are we talking about? So far I know of two. Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

[Farnhamia]

They let it cool off first.

Only if they like you...

Well, yes, that's true.

[The Ohm Confederacy]

Oh look, edgy leftists giving up something some people would literally die for.

Literally? Who would literally die for citizenship? They wouldn't be able to enjoy their citizenship.

Because they'd be dead.

[Brickistan]

Of course you won’t see such things. That's what Gitmo and extraordinary renditions are for. Out of sight, out of mind...

Yea, american citizens are dragged off to cuba every day. /sarcasm off
You don't think the families would raise a stink?

A cop spraying pepper spray in someones eyes is not a human rights violation, its a rogue cop.

To the topic people get, and renounce citizenships all the time, if you want to evade taxes, go to singapore, if you want to spend a year in europe and travel., its eaiser to get citizenship over there first. Every country has differenet regulations. If I remember right, an american needs a visa if he or she stays more than 30 consecutive days in a foreign country. I think the european laws are different.

Oh, so sorry...

I forgot that non-Americans don't matter. As long as the victims are brown-skinned and answers to the name of Muhammad or Ali, it's all okay.

As for cops being over-eager with the pepper-spray: I’d actually agree with you except that it appears way too systematic to be just a single “rogue cop”. Especially considering the scale of it and how it seems to be targeted at the left-wing protest movements.

Personally, were I an America I would, given my slightly left-leaning political belief (I would probably be considered nothing less than a dirty commie bastard by American standards) and the American human rights history, be looking to get the hell out of Dodge as soon as I possibly could. Sadly, Europe seems to become increasingly Americanized but given the alternatives then...

[Greed and Death]

Actually dropping US Citizenship is the worst thing you could do if you fear prosecution by the US government, as if you are sent back to the United States to face charges; then you lose the legal rights you would have had as a US citizen. I will never drop my US citizenship, besides if I did that I couldn't join the 'Sons of liberty' and all those other silly groups; that I have some blood claim to be a member of.

Non-citizens are entitled to the same constitutional protections that citizens are, when in US jurisdiction (Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)).

Anyway, how many people are we talking about? So far I know of two. Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

Normally you file the paper work at an embassy or consulate overseas.

It takes a lot of effort to give up citzenship while within the US.

[Ifreann]

Actually dropping US Citizenship is the worst thing you could do if you fear prosecution by the US government, as if you are sent back to the United States to face charges; then you lose the legal rights you would have had as a US citizen. I will never drop my US citizenship, besides if I did that I couldn't join the 'Sons of liberty' and all those other silly groups; that I have some blood claim to be a member of.

Non-citizens are entitled to the same constitutional protections that citizens are, when in US jurisdiction (Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)).

Anyway, how many people are we talking about? So far I know of two. Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

I think someone said it was up to a whopping 1200 people.

[Farnhamia]

Non-citizens are entitled to the same constitutional protections that citizens are, when in US jurisdiction (Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)).

Anyway, how many people are we talking about? So far I know of two. Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

Normally you file the paper work at an embassy or consulate overseas.

It takes a lot of effort to give up citzenship while within the US.

Good point. Granted I don't watch the news as often as I might, I still haven't heard that there has been a rush of people heading overseas to do this. I suppose they might be sneaking out in small groups. Maybe we should do an annual census to make sure the population isn't plummeting.

[Risottia]

Only if they like you...

Well, yes, that's true.

Feh, Real Men^TM don't let it cool.

[Farnhamia]

Non-citizens are entitled to the same constitutional protections that citizens are, when in US jurisdiction (Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)).

Anyway, how many people are we talking about? So far I know of two. Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

I think someone said it was up to a whopping 1200 people.

4 ten-thousandths of a percent? Yeah, I hate summer.

[Ifreann]

I think someone said it was up to a whopping 1200 people.

4 ten-thousandths of a percent? Yeah, I hate summer.

Swimming pools probably cause a greater loss of Americans. Ergo, 90% exit tax on billionaires in swimming pools.

[Farnhamia]

Well, yes, that's true.

Feh, Real Men^TM don't let it cool.

Ah, sì, gli uomini veri piace caldo.

[Risottia]

Feh, Real Men^TM don't let it cool.

Ah, sì, agli uomini veri piace caldo.

(subject "il caffè" is understood).

[Farnhamia]

Ah, sì, agli uomini veri piace caldo.

(subject "il caffè" is understood).

Molte grazie.

[Vistulange]

I'd say the reasons are ideological and/or political. Some people (like me) just don't want to be affiliated with a country that claims to bring democracy to other countries with so-called tyrants, while supporting tyrants who support America with oil, tobacco, bananas, whatever.

Thankfully, I'm not American, nor am I a citizen.

EDIT: I just saw the pepper spray thing. Here in Turkey, it's worse - and sometimes, it's the only way. Hell, I doubt our police uses pepper spray/tear gas, it's terrible what they use. Drove through a cloud of it once...

[Ethel mermania]

Yea, american citizens are dragged off to cuba every day. /sarcasm off
You don't think the families would raise a stink?

A cop spraying pepper spray in someones eyes is not a human rights violation, its a rogue cop.

To the topic people get, and renounce citizenships all the time, if you want to evade taxes, go to singapore, if you want to spend a year in europe and travel., its eaiser to get citizenship over there first. Every country has differenet regulations. If I remember right, an american needs a visa if he or she stays more than 30 consecutive days in a foreign country. I think the european laws are different.

Oh, so sorry...

I forgot that non-Americans don't matter. As long as the victims are brown-skinned and answers to the name of Muhammad or Ali, it's all okay.

As for cops being over-eager with the pepper-spray: I’d actually agree with you except that it appears way too systematic to be just a single “rogue cop”. Especially considering the scale of it and how it seems to be targeted at the left-wing protest movements.

Personally, were I an America I would, given my slightly left-leaning political belief (I would probably be considered nothing less than a dirty commie bastard by American standards) and the American human rights history, be looking to get the hell out of Dodge as soon as I possibly could. Sadly, Europe seems to become increasingly Americanized but given the alternatives then...

Move goalposts much? We were talking about americans being sent to gitmo, not foreigners.
You wanna talk about the right or wrong of gitmo, make a thread.

Considering the cop who sprayed the kid in nyc was fined by NYPD in excess of 5,000 dollars, I would say it was considered an unacceptable action by the department.

Ameican human rights history, compared to what, german? French? Russian? English? Thanks I'll keep my own.
That said, we should be discussing citizenship issues, got any thoughts on those?

[Greed and Death]

Normally you file the paper work at an embassy or consulate overseas.

It takes a lot of effort to give up citzenship while within the US.

Good point. Granted I don't watch the news as often as I might, I still haven't heard that there has been a rush of people heading overseas to do this. I suppose they might be sneaking out in small groups. Maybe we should do an annual census to make sure the population isn't plummeting.

I dont think it is any higher than normal. I think we also have a net inflow of the rich, because our tax rate is favorable when compared to Europe.

though it does not make sense to renouce until you live overseas and make over roughly 100,000 a year ( what ever the base overseas exemption is).

[Linux and the X]

Are there millions of people lining up at State Department offices nationwide demanding to renounce their citizenship?

No, that can only be done outside the US. Renunciation of citizenship includes renunciation of the right to be in the US (although one would still qualify for a visa or, if their new nationality generally allows it, visa-free travel), and takes effect retroactively when one files the papers, not when the State Department approve it.

[Big Jim P]

I mean without a citizenship, you can be tossed in Guantanamo Bay and be tortured and killed with no trial or anything of the sorts.

Since the NDAA, citizens can be chucked in Gitmo too.

Anyway, 75% exit tax for millionaires, 95% exit tax for billionaires, problem solved.

That would be a very nice way for America to subsidize any number of foreign banks.