Do You Think Full Communism would Work in Real Life

[Zottistan]

I beg your pardon?

Look, necromancy isn't even religious. You don't have like some pope of necromancy.

Necromancy is a religious service practiced by demon worshippers, I do believe. Or, I could be wrong. Any demon worshippers here to correct me?

[NMaa942]

Necromancy is a religious service practiced by demon worshippers, I do believe. Or, I could be wrong. Any demon worshippers here to correct me?

I'm sure it was practiced by ignorant peasants before punks picked it up.

[Aleckandor]

Necromancy is a religious service practiced by demon worshippers, I do believe. Or, I could be wrong. Any demon worshippers here to correct me?

I'm sure it was practiced by ignorant peasants before punks picked it up.

Bottom line: it's supersticious.

[Zottistan]

I'm sure it was practiced by ignorant peasants before punks picked it up.

Bottom line: it's supersticious.

That logic carries it on to all religious services.

"We'll have the child Confirmed so the Holy Spirit will give him strength."
"Ha, you're so supersticious."

[NMaa942]

"We'll have the child Confirmed so the Holy Spirit will give him strength."
"Ha, you're so supersticious."

yeah but they have a pope

[Aleckandor]

Bottom line: it's supersticious.

That logic carries it on to all religious services.

"We'll have the child Confirmed so the Holy Spirit will give him strength."
"Ha, you're so supersticious."

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

[Rupudska]

A solid nope from me.

Now, on a small scale, Communism would probably work better than capitalism. But on a large scale? If Russia, North Korea and China are anything to go by, humanity can't even handle socialism, let alone true Communism, for just one country. Worldwide? About as likely as Stalin rising from the grave.

If only you had said "Lenin rising from the grave"... I could have shown you some footage.

"MUST... DESTROY... KAPITALISM!!!"

Do want. Do you have a link?

[Meryuma]

What does communism have against ambition?

Ambition for power and wealth accumulation to be more specific. It's wasteful and does not benefit the society, only the individuals (or class) that happen to be in the best starting position.

Why do people think of communism, a system where you get shit for free and no one controls you, is altruistic and collectivist?

It is collectivist because the means of mass production are held by the collectivity.
It is altruist because "from everyone according to his ability, to everyone according to his need" is quite altruistic.
And no, theorically in communism you don't get "shit for free". You have to contribute with your work, according to your ability.

I guess you're thinking of a more specific form of communism than I.

[NMaa942]

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

I will dismiss Catholicism in it's stead if you like. It's the least I can do.

[Zottistan]

That logic carries it on to all religious services.

"We'll have the child Confirmed so the Holy Spirit will give him strength."
"Ha, you're so supersticious."

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

Communism exists outside of Marxism. Ever heard of the Kibbutzim in Isreal? But yes, Marxism does dismiss religion as nothing but more chains for the proletariat.

[Aleckandor]

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

I will dismiss Catholicism in it's stead if you like. It's the least I can do.

At least you only dismiss it, end of story.

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

Communism exists outside of Marxism. Ever heard of the Kibbutzim in Isreal? But yes, Marxism does dismiss religion as nothing but more chains for the proletariat.

Yay. I'm actually correct on something. And I also didn't ever hear about Kibbutz before, so thanks for sharing that with me.

[The USOT]

Look, necromancy isn't even religious. You don't have like some pope of necromancy.

Necromancy is a religious service practiced by demon worshippers, I do believe. Or, I could be wrong. Any demon worshippers here to correct me?

Its literally the art of manipulating the dead.
It has no immediate religious connotations, albeit people often associate it with voodoo.
But in reality, its like looking at oranges and calling them religious because some churches put candles in an orange.

[NMaa942]

At least you only dismiss it, end of story.

I do think you should make your own book, the Bible has a lot of undesirable elements.

[Aleckandor]

At least you only dismiss it, end of story.

I do think you should make your own book, the Bible has a lot of undesirable elements.

Well, the Bible is what it is. At the very end of it, they tell you not to write anything else or change anything, 'cuz bad stuff will happen.

[NMaa942]

Well, the Bible is what it is. At the very end of it, they tell you not to write anything else or change anything, 'cuz bad stuff will happen.

Yeah, but they made that up, along with most of the book.

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

The countries that tried communism but didn't stay true to the Marxist ideas was because they couldn't. The found it was far too expensive and the countries had to change a little otherwise they would go bankrupt and the entire system would fail. That is how it always works out. There is also never going to be any progression in terms of science and medical or industry as there is no motivation to try. Even on small scales it often fails such as some of the first settlers in the US , a few of those colonies tried it with only a few hundred people and it failed as many did not pull their full weight relying on their neighbors and almost or did starve to death.

Though out all of History communism has never worked.

[Threlizdun]

The fact that functional communes still exist shows it most certainly can work just fine on a small scale. Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territory show that it can at least be implemened on a larger scale. The question of whether it can last on a large scale is yet to be answered, though I personally do believe that it could. Capitalism ultimately appears doomed to be rendered obsolete with the continuing progress of technology, the support of the absurd notion of a "national identity" is slowly starting to wither away, and criticism of the state continues to grow. The current system has no hope of survival, though what will inevitably replace it we have no way of knowing. However, I see the progression of society creating several of the appropriate measures for the potential of communism.

[NMaa942]

Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territory show that it can at least be implemened on a larger scale.

Yeah, but they didn't last. It's like saying you can implement Ununoctium.

[Aleckandor]

Well, the Bible is what it is. At the very end of it, they tell you not to write anything else or change anything, 'cuz bad stuff will happen.

Yeah, but they made that up, along with most of the book.

*Force Choke* I find your lack of faith disturbing.

In all seriousness, though, I do have faith in a God I can't see nor hear. It sounds crazy, I know, but then again, my personality is virtually wayward.

[NMaa942]

In all seriousness, though, I do have faith in a God I can't see nor hear. It sounds crazy, I know, but then again, my personality is virtually wayward.

The Mormons made up their own book, and they still believe in things they cannot see or hear.

[The USOT]

The fact that functional communes still exist shows it most certainly can work just fine on a small scale. Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territory show that it can at least be implemened on a larger scale. The question of whether it can last on a large scale is yet to be answered, though I personally do believe that it could. Capitalism ultimately appears doomed to be rendered obsolete with the continuing progress of technology, the support of the absurd notion of a "national identity" is slowly starting to wither away, and criticism of the state continues to grow. The current system has no hope of survival, though what will inevitably replace it we have no way of knowing. However, I see the progression of society creating several of the appropriate measures for the potential of communism.

Whilst I like your way of thinking, I dont really see any evidence for the notion of national identity withering away at all. The amount of people worshipping the Queen in the name of nationalism here in the UK is overwhelming.

[Threlizdun]

Anarchist Catalonia and the Ukrainian Free Territory show that it can at least be implemened on a larger scale.

Yeah, but they didn't last. It's like saying you can implement Ununoctium.

It collapsed due to conflict, not due to failure of the system. Whether it could have lasted in peacetimes is impossible to know. They are a milestone simply for achieving communism in the first place.

[Aleckandor]

In all seriousness, though, I do have faith in a God I can't see nor hear. It sounds crazy, I know, but then again, my personality is virtually wayward.

The Mormons made up their own book, and they still believe in things they cannot see or hear.

Oh c'mon, Mormons are some of the most decent and polite folks I know (not when they try to convert you, though). But I would also say that their book was made-up, so no argument there.

However, both of us don't know what really happened approximately 3,000 to 2,000 years ago, the era in which the tales and adventures of the Holy Bible were said to have transpired. Therefore, faith. You don't have to go with it, but I for one, do.

[NMaa942]

Whether it could have lasted in peacetimes is impossible to know.

There is no peacetime there is only Zuul!

[You-Gi-Owe]

I doubt it can work.

It depends on an unrealistic amount of altruism,
or a top-heavy bureaucracy judging what people's abilities and needs are,
or totalitarian "stongmen".