Do You Think Full Communism would Work in Real Life

[NMaa942]

It's called "democracy". The collective exercise of political power by all citizens.

Not happening. They'd have to have minds.

[Mavorpen]

It's called "democracy". The collective exercise of political power by all citizens.

Not happening. They'd have to have minds.

What?

[Zottistan]

With robot overlords that keep watch over our behaviors and actions, it might.

Or by exposing kids to subtle political propaganda from an early age... Don't look at me like that, you know the west do it, too.

[Aleckandor]

Not happening. They'd have to have minds.

What?

Exactly. What?

[Demen 2]

No it wouldn't. The failure of watered-down modified communism in the early 80's was proof that the system does not work.

Fixed that for you.

In a country, no.

[Risottia]

It's called "democracy". The collective exercise of political power by all citizens.

Not happening. They'd have to have minds.

Nice point. A bit into pessimism, but nice nevertheless.

[NMaa942]

What?

All of the citizens would have to have minds or it would be rather unequal, like now.

[Aleckandor]

With robot overlords that keep watch over our behaviors and actions, it might.

Or by exposing kids to subtle political propaganda from an early age... Don't look at me like that, you know the west do it, too.

What do you mean? I acknowledge that fact wholeheartedly. That being said, YOU MUST ASSIMILATE! YOU MUST! *Racks M-16*

[Risottia]

So, you would say that socialism would be possible, but communism is entirely utopian?

I would think communism where the people as a whole help eachother is entirely utopian, but communism where the people as a whole are made to help eachother is perfectly possible.

Yep, but if you keep a State with what we could call a police force, it's not exactly what Marx and Engels wrote about, right?

[Rupudska]

A solid nope from me.

Now, on a small scale, Communism would probably work better than capitalism. But on a large scale? If the old USSR, North Korea and China are anything to go by, humanity can't even handle socialism, let alone true Communism, for just one country. Worldwide? About as likely as Stalin rising from the grave.

[Risottia]

A solid nope from me.

Now, on a small scale, Communism would probably work better than capitalism. But on a large scale? If Russia, North Korea and China are anything to go by, humanity can't even handle socialism, let alone true Communism, for just one country. Worldwide? About as likely as Stalin rising from the grave.

If only you had said "Lenin rising from the grave"... I could have shown you some footage.

"MUST... DESTROY... KAPITALISM!!!"

[Socialist Spacefaring Civilisations]

I would think communism where the people as a whole help eachother is entirely utopian, but communism where the people as a whole are made to help eachother is perfectly possible.

If the people are made to help each other, it's socialism.

I think that communism may be possible after a few more millennia of progress.

[Zottistan]

I would think communism where the people as a whole help eachother is entirely utopian, but communism where the people as a whole are made to help eachother is perfectly possible.

Yep, but if you keep a State with what we could call a police force, it's not exactly what Marx and Engels wrote about, right?

That means it's not Marxism. It could still be communism.

[NMaa942]

It wouldn't be hard to bring Stalin back from the dead, you would just have to copy molecular patterns using some kind of time-window.

[Demen 2]

It wouldn't be hard to bring Stalin back from the dead, you would just have to copy molecular patterns using some kind of time-window.

Oh hey Buzz Killington.

[Aleckandor]

It wouldn't be hard to bring Stalin back from the dead, you would just have to copy molecular patterns using some kind of time-window.

Or necromancy. But of course, the far left is supposed to be irreligious, right?

[Risottia]

Yep, but if you keep a State with what we could call a police force, it's not exactly what Marx and Engels wrote about, right?

That means it's not Marxism. It could still be communism.

Yeah, I suppose that once you eliminate the private property of the means of mass production and substitute it with a system where there's no Mehrwert output anymore, you could call it a form of communism.

[Meryuma]

If something or someone managed to somehow gradually change human nature, and human beings' natural instincts of ambition and competitivity...yeah, communism could work.

What does communism have against ambition? And how can you say a competitive economic system comes from human nature when a gift economy predates it?

So, you would say that socialism would be possible, but communism is entirely utopian?

I would think communism where the people as a whole help eachother is entirely utopian, but communism where the people as a whole are made to help eachother is perfectly possible.

Why do people think of communism, a system where you get shit for free and no one controls you, is altruistic and collectivist?

A solid nope from me.

Now, on a small scale, Communism would probably work better than capitalism. But on a large scale? If the old USSR, North Korea and China are anything to go by, humanity can't even handle socialism, let alone true Communism, for just one country. Worldwide? About as likely as Stalin rising from the grave.

None of those societies were socialist. North Korea doesn't even claim to hold communism as their ideology any more.

[NMaa942]

Or necromancy. But of course, the far left is supposed to be irreligious, right?

Why is this directed at me?

[Valourium]

I marked "possibly" because no matter what, there are greedy humans. It is a primitive instinct to want more than others, so some will naturally rise up and try to take more. However, if this primitive instinct were to vanish, then it would work perfectly.

[Aleckandor]

Or necromancy. But of course, the far left is supposed to be irreligious, right?

Why is this directed at me?

I beg your pardon?

[Risottia]

If something or someone managed to somehow gradually change human nature, and human beings' natural instincts of ambition and competitivity...yeah, communism could work.

What does communism have against ambition?

Ambition for power and wealth accumulation to be more specific. It's wasteful and does not benefit the society, only the individuals (or class) that happen to be in the best starting position.

Why do people think of communism, a system where you get shit for free and no one controls you, is altruistic and collectivist?

It is collectivist because the means of mass production are held by the collectivity.
It is altruist because "from everyone according to his ability, to everyone according to his need" is quite altruistic.
And no, theorically in communism you don't get "shit for free". You have to contribute with your work, according to your ability.

[NMaa942]

I beg your pardon?

Look, necromancy isn't even religious. You don't have like some pope of necromancy.

[Risottia]

I marked "possibly" because no matter what, there are greedy humans. It is a primitive instinct to want more than others, so some will naturally rise up and try to take more. However, if this primitive instinct were to vanish, then it would work perfectly.

Well, there are violent, even homicidal humans; but this doesn't make us condone of violence and murder, and we try to eliminate them, or at least to contain them.

[Risottia]

I beg your pardon?

Look, necromancy isn't even religious. You don't have like some pope of necromancy.

Did someone call me?

No, seriously, Jesus performed a lot necromancy... such as reviving other people and resurrecting as a ueberlich. Basically, all Christians - expecially those who believe in transubstantiation, like Catholics - are into necromancy... so... Joseph Ratzinger is the Pope of Necromancy already.

(this post might contain bits of resurrected zombie humour and graveyard soil. eat with care)