Do You Think Full Communism would Work in Real Life

[NMaa942]

However, both of us don't know what really happened approximately 3,000 to 2,000 years ago, the era in which the tales and adventures of the Holy Bible were said to have transpired.

Sure we do, many of the cities in question didn't exist in the times mentioned. Make up your own myths.

[Threlizdun]

Whilst I like your way of thinking, I dont really see any evidence for the notion of national identity withering away at all. The amount of people worshipping the Queen in the name of nationalism here in the UK is overwhelming.

While I may not know a great deal about the situation in the UK, blind patriotism has begun loosing appeal for many in the US. While certainly a minority, more people are starting to find the idea of such an imaginary entity as a "nation" or "borders" to be rather distasteful. Internationalism is no longer exclusive to what constitutes the "radical" communities in America. Progress is slow, though it is being achieved.

[Atreides 5]

Communism would fail completely, like it did before. Capitalism all the way!

[Aleckandor]

However, both of us don't know what really happened approximately 3,000 to 2,000 years ago, the era in which the tales and adventures of the Holy Bible were said to have transpired.

Sure we do, many of the cities in question didn't exist in the times mentioned. Make up your own myths.

You got me at that one. But I'll stick to my 'chain of the proletariat'. It keeps me from being utterly pessimistic and cynical towards people.

[NMaa942]

You got me at that one. But I'll stick to my 'chain of the proletariat'. It keeps me from being utterly pessimistic and cynical towards people.

You could still make up a book with more human decency.

[Meryuma]

Exactly. And I'm Catholic. Basically, the Marxist doctrine dismisses (I'm not sure if it wants to persecute) those sorts of beliefs in the supernatural, am I correct?

Communism exists outside of Marxism. Ever heard of the Kibbutzim in Isreal? But yes, Marxism does dismiss religion as nothing but more chains for the proletariat.

It's a little more nuanced than that. Marx was sympathetic to the psychological role of religion, but saw the solution as being to eliminate the suffering that drives people to involvement in religion by overthrowing capitalism.

I doubt it can work.

It depends on an unrealistic amount of altruism,
or a top-heavy bureaucracy judging what people's abilities and needs are,
or totalitarian "stongmen".

Again, why does communism require more altruism or bureaucracy than capitalism? Shouldn't a class society be considered more altruistic and bureaucratic than a classless one?

[The USOT]

Whilst I like your way of thinking, I dont really see any evidence for the notion of national identity withering away at all. The amount of people worshipping the Queen in the name of nationalism here in the UK is overwhelming.

While I may not know a great deal about the situation in the UK, blind patriotism has begun loosing appeal for many in the US. While certainly a minority, more people are starting to find the idea of such an imaginary entity as a "nation" or "borders" to be rather distasteful. Internationalism is no longer exclusive to what constitutes the "radical" communities in America. Progress is slow, though it is being achieved.

Unfortunately too slow for my liking in the UK =/

[Aleckandor]

You got me at that one. But I'll stick to my 'chain of the proletariat'. It keeps me from being utterly pessimistic and cynical towards people.

You could still make up a book with more human decency.

I wish I could, but again, you misunderstand the simplistic concept of faith. In the Book Of Revelation's very last clauses, it states that anyone who attempts to add or detract from whatever the Scripture tell of is bound for Hell. I won't take my chances.

[NMaa942]

I wish I could, but again, you misunderstand the simplistic concept of faith. In the Book Of Revelation's very last clauses, it states that anyone who attempts to add or detract from whatever the Scripture tell of is bound for Hell. I won't take my chances.

You wouldn't be editing the book of revelation.

[Aleckandor]

I wish I could, but again, you misunderstand the simplistic concept of faith. In the Book Of Revelation's very last clauses, it states that anyone who attempts to add or detract from whatever the Scripture tell of is bound for Hell. I won't take my chances.

You wouldn't be editing the book of revelation.

Oh, you mean making a completely different book with completely different characters? Sure, the Lord Of The Rings did just that. But to actually gain popular religious followers? Uh, no thanks.

[You-Gi-Owe]

I doubt it can work.

It depends on an unrealistic amount of altruism,
or a top-heavy bureaucracy judging what people's abilities and needs are,
or totalitarian "stongmen".

Again, why does communism require more altruism or bureaucracy than capitalism? Shouldn't a class society be considered more altruistic and bureaucratic than a classless one?

Altruism? How much time should people spend working, measuring thier needs including the need of being able to continue working and raising the next generation, and measuring the needs of others?

Bureaucracy? Judging production and needs (and probably not producing any work other than judgements) of great numbers of others is a full time job.

[Ashmoria]

Simple question. Do you think all-out communism with will in real life. With a countries like the UK, Australia, United States, or China?

I mean the Marx and Engel communism not the common interpretation of communism.

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No. There are too many loopholes and ways to cheat the system to work efficiently.

EDIT: Forgot opinion.

no

i think that its not in the cards for the united states to ever be communist. it wouldnt work because it requires an entirely different mindset.

[Seperates]

I doubt it could work because of basic nature of the human psychology. It is easy for one to be giving towards an individual, it is not difficult to be altruistic towards a in-group... but it is nearly impossible for you to be altruistic to THEM, being everybody who you do not associate with your common communal identity. Most people only really can sustain a community bond with about 150 non-relatives. It takes an exceptional individual to want to give to more, and even greater open minds to want to give up yourself for the good of the community.

Our success as a species has more or less relied on our ability to form bonds without faces, to use and accept the invisible societal bonds we all share without having to place faces and names. The ability to live in a community where you don't even know half the faces, let alone the names, of your peers, but still trust them within that community. But that doesn't mean we trust them with what we believe we have earned.

[NMaa942]

Oh, you mean making a completely different book with completely different characters? Sure, the Lord Of The Rings did just that. But to actually gain popular religious followers? Uh, no thanks.

You don't have to gain popular religious followers.

[Aleckandor]

Oh, you mean making a completely different book with completely different characters? Sure, the Lord Of The Rings did just that. But to actually gain popular religious followers? Uh, no thanks.

You don't have to gain popular religious followers.

So...what are we going on about? Are you telling me just to write a book for the sake of it? 'Cuz I should inform that something is already in the works in this 14-year old mind right here, thank you very much.

[Vaklor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKss2uYpih8

[Aleckandor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKss2uYpih8

It's sounds like it was looped backwards to me. I've never seen an episode of Metalocalypse before, though.

[Zottistan]

You don't have to gain popular religious followers.

So...what are we going on about? Are you telling me just to write a book for the sake of it? 'Cuz I should inform that something is already in the works in this 14-year old mind right here, thank you very much.

Can I be in it? Please?

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

Simple question. Do you think all-out communism with will in real life. With a countries like the UK, Australia, United States, or China?

I mean the Marx and Engel communism not the common interpretation of communism.

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No. There are too many loopholes and ways to cheat the system to work efficiently.

EDIT: Forgot opinion.

Yes, however it'd take more than one country

[NMaa942]

So...what are we going on about? Are you telling me just to write a book for the sake of it? 'Cuz I should inform that something is already in the works in this 14-year old mind right here, thank you very much.

And then believe in it.

[Aleckandor]

So...what are we going on about? Are you telling me just to write a book for the sake of it? 'Cuz I should inform that something is already in the works in this 14-year old mind right here, thank you very much.

Can I be in it? Please?

Sure. Hell, I even thought of writing novellas about the based on the RPly side of NationStates' ranks.

[Zottistan]

Can I be in it? Please?

Sure. Hell, I even thought of writing novellas about the based on the RPly side of NationStates' ranks.

Y'know, if you did them well, those wouldn't be half bad.

[NMaa942]

Y'know, if you did them well, those wouldn't be half bad.

They would be full bad?

[Aleckandor]

Sure. Hell, I even thought of writing novellas about the based on the RPly side of NationStates' ranks.

Y'know, if you did them well, those wouldn't be half bad.

Cool beans. I remember something about Luziyca claiming to have a movie about NationStates in the works. Actually, I had a dream once that I directed an Oscar-winning motion picture based on Aleckandor from one of its citizens' point of view. It actually doesn't look too bad, because the movie that I envisioned sort of reminds me of Forrest Gump and Full Metal Jacket combined with a lot more philosophical elements.

[Zottistan]

Y'know, if you did them well, those wouldn't be half bad.

They would be full bad?

They would be equal to or greater than full bad. Like everything, I guess.
Anyway, the topic.