Do You Think Full Communism would Work in Real Life

[CookieRaider]

Simple question. Do you think all-out communism with will in real life. With a countries like the UK, Australia, United States, or China?

I mean the Marx and Engel communism not the common interpretation of communism.

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No. There are too many loopholes and ways to cheat the system to work efficiently.

EDIT: Forgot opinion.

[Laerod]

Oh, with countries. No.

[TaQud]

Nope

[Divair]

On this planet with a compulsory system? No.
On another planet with a voluntary system? Yes.

[Death Metal]

Not with a superpower the size of those countries.

Small communal farms, maybe Native American reservations. Larger than that is kind of hard to maintain in the age of global community and economy.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Well, there are some optimist out there.

My answer? No.

[Meryuma]

There can't be communist countries by definition.

[Jamie Anumia]

You can get countries claiming to be communist. But 'true' or 'proper' communism would never work.

[The USOT]

Well considering that there are indeed real communes all around the world, yes I do.

Unless you are willing to tell the people of Twin Oaks virginia they dont exist...

[Tigeria]

...maybe,but not long

[Priory Academy USSR]

No, no, no, and yet again no. Lots of countries tried a watered down version, and even they failed.

[Wamitoria]

No.

[Wamitoria]

Well considering that there are indeed real communes all around the world, yes I do.

Unless you are willing to tell the people of Twin Oaks virginia they dont exist...

Do the people of Twin Oaks own the shirts on their back?

[Imsogone]

On a small scale, it has been shown to work. Kibbutzes in Israel are a form of small scale communism and, as long as the people who participated had full participation in the decision making, work and rewards, they worked well. On a small scale this is feasible, on a large scale (the size of a nation), it's not.

[Meryuma]

You can get countries claiming to be communist. But 'true' or 'proper' communism would never work.

Very well-thought out argument there.

[Jamie Anumia]

You can get countries claiming to be communist. But 'true' or 'proper' communism would never work.

Very well-thought out argument there.

Let me clarify then, I took full communism to mean the original marxist theory and answered the question as asking if that theory would ever work in practice. I answered No, because countries have claimed to be 'communist' (China, North Korea etc), yet really don't stay true to marxist communist ideals.

[HumanSanity]

You would have to have a great, unanimous, respect for the system in order for the possibility of it working to even exist. The other thing is that so long as not all of the people, countries, communities, etc. in the world are in on the plan then it won't work because then the entire system couldn't operate correctly.

[The USOT]

Well considering that there are indeed real communes all around the world, yes I do.

Unless you are willing to tell the people of Twin Oaks virginia they dont exist...

Do the people of Twin Oaks own the shirts on their back?

Sort of. They have a community clothes donation library. Basically if you have bought an item of clothing and you dont feel like wearing it/dont lik it anymore you can donate it to the community.

[NMaa942]

Well considering that there are indeed real communes all around the world, yes I do.

Unless you are willing to tell the people of Twin Oaks virginia they dont exist...

why can't we have a community where violence is one of the intentional basic values?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_ ... ,_Virginia

[Death Metal]

The real issue with Marxist communism on a large scale is that the only way to keep people truly egalitarian and leaderless is to make every adult a member of a parlimentary democracy. Everyone is equal parts senator, peace officer, and if necessary, jury member. A direct democracy in the most extreme sense.

This is simply not feasible with countries. It takes us eight hours to count votes in a single US state. Can you imagine if every single law in the US, or hell, even in a smaller country like Northern Ireland, had to be brought to a public vote? You think American Congress takes forever to get shit done now, think if the Congress had 350 million people in the House.

A representative democracy, by it's own nature, means that some people have more authority in the daily running of a country than others. That goes against Marxism.

[The USOT]

Well considering that there are indeed real communes all around the world, yes I do.

Unless you are willing to tell the people of Twin Oaks virginia they dont exist...

why can't we have a community where violence is one of the intentional basic values?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Oaks_ ... ,_Virginia

Because that would suck?

[NMaa942]

Because that would suck?

Yeah well a lot of the planet sucks, what else is new?

[Meryuma]

Very well-thought out argument there.

Let me clarify then, I took full communism to mean the original marxist theory and answered the question as asking if that theory would ever work in practice. I answered No, because countries have claimed to be 'communist' (China, North Korea etc), yet really don't stay true to marxist communist ideals.

You still didn't give any explanation of why you think this.

The real issue with Marxist communism on a large scale is that the only way to keep people truly egalitarian and leaderless is to make every adult a member of a parlimentary democracy. Everyone is equal parts senator, peace officer, and if necessary, jury member. A direct democracy in the most extreme sense.

This is simply not feasible with countries. It takes us eight hours to count votes in a single US state. Can you imagine if every single law in the US, or hell, even in a smaller country like Northern Ireland, had to be brought to a public vote? You think American Congress takes forever to get shit done now, think if the Congress had 350 million people in the House.

A representative democracy, by it's own nature, means that some people have more authority in the daily running of a country than others. That goes against Marxism.

I will raise the same question I always do: Why does social organization have to be on a national scale?

Then again, I'm not a Marxist, so maybe this isn't for me to respond to.

[Chinese Regions]

In a country? No
In a city, a small community? Yes.

[The USOT]

The real issue with Marxist communism on a large scale is that the only way to keep people truly egalitarian and leaderless is to make every adult a member of a parlimentary democracy. Everyone is equal parts senator, peace officer, and if necessary, jury member. A direct democracy in the most extreme sense.

This is simply not feasible with countries. It takes us eight hours to count votes in a single US state. Can you imagine if every single law in the US, or hell, even in a smaller country like Northern Ireland, had to be brought to a public vote? You think American Congress takes forever to get shit done now, think if the Congress had 350 million people in the House.

A representative democracy, by it's own nature, means that some people have more authority in the daily running of a country than others. That goes against Marxism.

Good thing I am opposed to parliamentary democracy then
Dont get me wrong, im not saying that you are wrong, as indeed it is fair to say your critique is correct. But you must also bear in mind that all versions of marxism likewise critique presidential and parliamentarian democracy. They simply were not designed to mix, due to not only viewed opression, but also system inefficiency.

Myself for instance I prefer an industrial democracy which is far more decentralised.