Let's quarrel over morals!
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:52 am
Hello everyone. Hope you're all well.
I was reading through this thread before when someone brought up that inevitable line "How can you be moral without religion"?
After all "good" without "god" is just "o", right?
I noticed, as I skimread the thread, that the other posters dismissed the question as nonsense, which I personally felt to be grossly unfair.
After all, the nature of morality is something that has baffled philosophers since before the days of Socrates, which therefore leads me to the conclusion that either a) NSG contains the greatest philosophical minds the world has ever seen or b) There is some merit to the idea that morality at the very least needs to be defined, if not by religion then by something solid.
Now firstly, about me - I'm a crochety old atheist, hence why I am currently hard at work being bitter and nihilistic.
However several of my very dear Christian and Muslim friends have asked me how I am able to say "Persecution/Slavery/The production of the TV show 'Glee' is morally wrong" when I don't have a solid, or universal definition of what is morality, which usually causes me to hide behind the "I'm a moral nihilist" excuse.
Religion, although in my humble opinion irrational and illogical, does at the very least offer some kind of definition (or attempt at one) even if said definition is "obedience and the advocation of discrimination and slavery".
So, upon pondering this, I thought of doing things like reading Plato's Euthyphro, or going to the university that I live a block away from and talking to some of the philosophy lecturers, and reading and researching into this ancient dilemma.
And then I thought "Screw that. This looks like a job for NSG."
I was reading through this thread before when someone brought up that inevitable line "How can you be moral without religion"?
After all "good" without "god" is just "o", right?
I noticed, as I skimread the thread, that the other posters dismissed the question as nonsense, which I personally felt to be grossly unfair.
After all, the nature of morality is something that has baffled philosophers since before the days of Socrates, which therefore leads me to the conclusion that either a) NSG contains the greatest philosophical minds the world has ever seen or b) There is some merit to the idea that morality at the very least needs to be defined, if not by religion then by something solid.
Now firstly, about me - I'm a crochety old atheist, hence why I am currently hard at work being bitter and nihilistic.
However several of my very dear Christian and Muslim friends have asked me how I am able to say "Persecution/Slavery/The production of the TV show 'Glee' is morally wrong" when I don't have a solid, or universal definition of what is morality, which usually causes me to hide behind the "I'm a moral nihilist" excuse.
Religion, although in my humble opinion irrational and illogical, does at the very least offer some kind of definition (or attempt at one) even if said definition is "obedience and the advocation of discrimination and slavery".
So, upon pondering this, I thought of doing things like reading Plato's Euthyphro, or going to the university that I live a block away from and talking to some of the philosophy lecturers, and reading and researching into this ancient dilemma.
And then I thought "Screw that. This looks like a job for NSG."