Stupidest things that your school system has done

[Mavorpen]

....hey kids I've got some silly bands here, you know the drill...

oh god why would you make that joke

He's from Texas.

[Herrebrugh]

Our school banned pokemon because it was a danger to students -- one kid strangled another kid for a card (the strangler likely was born with that neckbeard). Same thing with GEL PENS, bayblade thingies, miniature finger-sized skateboard things, suspenders, nerf and lacrosse balls, and those rubbery water-balls attached to an elastic string which some kid managed to strangle himself with. Proving that almost everything but studying-hard could catch on as a fad at my school.

Also, I'm Canadian and should have received french classes, but the school separated boys and girls -- girls got french class, boys got extra Gym class.

These fucking things right here. These stupid silly bands made our middle schools go to shit. For some reason, some god damn reason, middle schoolers were having sex and giving blowjobs for them.

Go Texas!

I guess fads are bigger in Texas too, eh?

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

They think that some one with a college or highschool education will be either more intelligent or have more work ethic. Both of those are illusions and they're both about the fall

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/med ... 52237552/1
http://www.iqtestexperts.com/iq-education.php

What work ethic has to do with this, I have no clue.

Education does have an effect on IQ, whether it be positive or negative, I'll yield to do that. So does diet, illness and many other environmental effects. The large gaps in IQ, specifically between families. cannot be explained through environmental factors. The gains would have to be a lot larger than 3 % gain due to an increase of mandatory education.

For instance blacks on average consistently score less than whites and east Asians on IQ tests. Despite the increase in socio-economic conditions, and the wide availability of schools, the gap only persists. [1]This can only be explained by the genetic explanation.

[Mavorpen]

For instance blacks on average consistently score less than whites and east Asians on IQ tests. Despite the increase in socio-economic conditions, and the wide availability of schools, the gap only persists. [1]This can only be explained by the genetic explanation.

Yeah, no.
More.

[Samuraikoku]

I don't think you realize that there was a time before public schools existed. There were still people effectively leading the government, and people educated themselves using books.

I do, and the State did. That's why the state thought it was necessary to fund public education - because the State had greater means of making it available to citizens, in order to create citizens that would keep it running in the future.

Guess you didn't learn this at school.

You could make the same argument that the state has a vested interest in many other areas too. X is needed, because x is necessary. Without state x, catastrophe would follow. It all falls down when you mention that another x not provided by the state is also necessary, yet is provided effectively without state intervention. If public education were a necessity, then many other public services would be needed: public supermarkets, apple stores etc.

I'm not interested in following this theory.

You've failed to rebut what I said about the protection of the market, the people, and the application of justice.

[Choronzon]

I don't think you realize that there was a time before public schools existed. There were still people effectively leading the government, and people educated themselves using books.

I do, and the State did. That's why the state thought it was necessary to fund public education - because the State had greater means of making it available to citizens, in order to create citizens that would keep it running in the future.

Guess you didn't learn this at school.

Well...the US started funding public education as a way to combat the influence of parochial schools, particularly Catholic ones.

[Samuraikoku]

Well...the US started funding public education as a way to combat the influence of parochial schools, particularly Catholic ones.

That as well, but he'd jump on the facetious side of things.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

For instance blacks on average consistently score less than whites and east Asians on IQ tests. Despite the increase in socio-economic conditions, and the wide availability of schools, the gap only persists. [1]This can only be explained by the genetic explanation.

Yeah, no.
More.

You're missing the point. IQ is largely genetic, and a 3 point in IQ increase can't explain the gaps between different families.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

I don't think you realize that there was a time before public schools existed. There were still people effectively leading the government, and people educated themselves using books.

I do, and the State did. That's why the state thought it was necessary to fund public education - because the State had greater means of making it available to citizens, in order to create citizens that would keep it running in the future.

Guess you didn't learn this at school.

Yet again, if they had a greater means to provide services such as school, then they should be able to provide all other services effectively as well. Supermarkets and other non-state services wouldn't exist because there would be no need for them. Yet again, common sense.

You could make the same argument that the state has a vested interest in many other areas too. X is needed, because x is necessary. Without state x, catastrophe would follow. It all falls down when you mention that another x not provided by the state is also necessary, yet is provided effectively without state intervention. If public education were a necessity, then many other public services would be needed: public supermarkets, apple stores etc.

I'm not interested in following this theory.

You've failed to rebut what I said about the protection of the market, the people, and the application of justice.

I have not failed to rebut anything. Rather, you have simply failed to understand.

[Samuraikoku]

I have not failed to rebut anything. Rather, you have simply failed to understand.

You did. Explain to me how without public education the State would be better. It needs people to maintain it - people with education. Explain to me then, why the State doesn't have an interest in education and how it isn't a public service that it should provide.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

I have not failed to rebut anything. Rather, you have simply failed to understand.

You did. Explain to me how without public education the State would be better. It needs people to maintain it - people with education. Explain to me then, why the State doesn't have an interest in education and how it isn't a public service that it should provide.

No.

[Samuraikoku]

You did. Explain to me how without public education the State would be better. It needs people to maintain it - people with education. Explain to me then, why the State doesn't have an interest in education and how it isn't a public service that it should provide.

No.

By the Emperor, we've won!

[Mavorpen]

You're missing the point. IQ is largely genetic, and a 3 point in IQ increase can't explain the gaps between different families.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2011/10 ... s-in-teens
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-10-i ... brain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/ ... dolescence

Keep being wrong, this is fun.

[Samuraikoku]

Yet again, if they had a greater means to provide services such as school, then they should be able to provide all other services effectively as well. Supermarkets and other non-state services wouldn't exist because there would be no need for them. Yet again, common sense.

Slippery slope.

[Free Soviets]

i think i see your problem. you don't understand what school is supposed to do. the point is to create an educated populace. this is for both social and economic reasons. the individual and societal benefits of doing it well are incredibly easy to see, while failing to educate the public holds back even those who get educated on their own.

who gives a shit what individual parents want? parents are idiots when it comes to the details of education policy. the idiocy of one's parents should not be allowed to harm one's future prospects. likewise, kids are idiots. what they think is important has absolutely no relation to what actually is important.

now, you admit you have no fucking clue what would actually be useful in real life™
you know who does?
me.

Obviously, you don't seem to understand my problem. School is meant to educate people, but despite the fact that the more people are educated than ever we're still getting dumber. Test scores are dropping. Even our culture has grown to reflect the failing state of academia.

this is exactly the sort of lazy, unthinking conventional 'wisdom' that a good education should stamp out. because even a cursory glance at any of the actual scores shows we are doing better and better. especially among groups at the bottom. the only sorts of tests that have shown no improvement or even declines are ones where we have added a ton of people who previously wouldn't have taken it at all before - like the SATs now that many states just have everyone in high school take them.

Exactly, you shouldn't care what kind of education parents want to their give their child. It's none of your business if a parent wants their child to solely learn religion, or maybe even train their child to be a painter or whatever. It's not your choice.

it is my business. it is all of our business to both make sure that all people have the opportunity to succeed and provide the groundwork for the continued existence of democracy. and for that, we have to make sure as broad a segment of the public as possible has the basic skills and knowledge needed to do so. hence, compulsory school. it allows for a more harmonious and productive society than we could get without it.

additionally, the children of parents that are ignorant dumbasses don't deserve to suffer for their parents' dumbassery.

Third of all, you assume that parents will outright make the worse choice. They wouldn't. Ask yourself; do most parents nowadays, when choosing a college for their child choose the worst colleges? Of course not, most parents shoot for critically acclaimed schools.

a) key word: most
b) parents choose colleges?

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

Only thing stupid my school ever did was that their web filter blocked out the pictures linked to by the art class. x]
Otherwise, I had a great time.

[Typhlochactas]

Put me in a school rally surrounded by hundreds of people with no room to move, and then force me to listen to extremely loud and bad music combined with the yelling of my peers.

[The God-Realm]

She was a.. how do you say.... "kinky" woman.

I imagine cheap German,teacher-student,porn right now

Yep.

Only thing stupid my school ever did was that their web filter blocked out the pictures linked to by the art class. x]
Otherwise, I had a great time.

Haha.

Our school banned pokemon because it was a danger to students -- one kid strangled another kid for a card (the strangler likely was born with that neckbeard). Same thing with GEL PENS, bayblade thingies, miniature finger-sized skateboard things, suspenders, nerf and lacrosse balls, and those rubbery water-balls attached to an elastic string which some kid managed to strangle himself with. Proving that almost everything but studying-hard could catch on as a fad at my school.

Also, I'm Canadian and should have received french classes, but the school separated boys and girls -- girls got french class, boys got extra Gym class.

These fucking things right here. These stupid silly bands made our middle schools go to shit. For some reason, some god damn reason, middle schoolers were having sex and giving blowjobs for them.

Go Texas!

What the fuck....

[Priory Academy USSR]

No.

By the Emperor, we've won!

Which one?


Anyway, Yandere, you do have an interest in education.
Lets say that the government follows your plan and makes education non compulosry and privatised. Around 50% won't go into secondary/high school, unless they are inspired or their parents know what's best for them. The 50% also includes those who can't afford the private option-probably a large amount. Now, only 50% are fully educated, and only 40% of those fo for a degree. Well done, you've now got 20% of the next generation with skills. Subsequently, over time, tax revenues will fall (unskilled labour generally=low tax payment) and some corporations (who don't get the 20%) will move their operations to China or India, where skill is quite cheap and in no short supply. Since the unskilled majority are relatively lowly paid, less money is spent on goods and so the economy starts to slow or decline. Your pension plan starts to decline in value as the once mighty US companes start to buckle.

[The God-Realm]

I'm talking about any computer class k-12. Beyond the rudimentary would be simply being able to read, or add/subtract etc.

Lolwhut? Our workforce would go to shit. Explain why algebra is useless.

You can answer that, but the real question is: Why invest in services that you aren't using? Should I pay a portion of your groceries, or pay your car insurance? Hopefully, you see how ridiculous this all is.

Of course I see how ridiculous that is, because it's a stupid analogy. Education affects us all, without a good public education, the economy suffers, as I have already proven.

Because the educational establishment opposes any view that may be contrary to their own. It benefits them to believe the problem is unrelated to genetic and cognitive ability, because if it isn't. Why bother teaching people who gain nothing out of it?

So you don't have any sources. Why should I take you seriously?

Why not? I ask you PEOPLE this question all the time. Cut my taxes, since I'm not using the services and take a tax hike. It makes sense, why should I pay for a service that I'm not using? Why must you be a bully and force me to pay? Maybe, I will leave, but so will others who think like me. Most likely they won't be stupid either.

No, they'll be stupid. The people who think welfare is useless usually are. Eventually they'll realize that without it or public education, you won't progress pass Third World or Developing status. Your economy will grow at a snail's pace, and your "paradise" will be a joke to the rest of the world.

Do you use algebra everyday? Most sure don't.

[Ifreann]

Our school banned pokemon because it was a danger to students -- one kid strangled another kid for a card (the strangler likely was born with that neckbeard). Same thing with GEL PENS, bayblade thingies, miniature finger-sized skateboard things, suspenders, nerf and lacrosse balls, and those rubbery water-balls attached to an elastic string which some kid managed to strangle himself with. Proving that almost everything but studying-hard could catch on as a fad at my school.

Also, I'm Canadian and should have received french classes, but the school separated boys and girls -- girls got french class, boys got extra Gym class.

These fucking things right here. These stupid silly bands made our middle schools go to shit. For some reason, some god damn reason, middle schoolers were having sex and giving blowjobs for them.

Go Texas!

I was under the impression that that was just an urban legend.

[The God-Realm]

By the Emperor, we've won!

Which one?


Anyway, Yandere, you do have an interest in education.
Lets say that the government follows your plan and makes education non compulosry and privatised. Around 50% won't go into secondary/high school, unless they are inspired or their parents know what's best for them. The 50% also includes those who can't afford the private option-probably a large amount. Now, only 50% are fully educated, and only 40% of those fo for a degree. Well done, you've now got 20% of the next generation with skills. Subsequently, over time, tax revenues will fall (unskilled labour generally=low tax payment) and some corporations (who don't get the 20%) will move their operations to China or India, where skill is quite cheap and in no short supply. Since the unskilled majority are relatively lowly paid, less money is spent on goods and so the economy starts to slow or decline. Your pension plan starts to decline in value as the once mighty US companes start to buckle.

We have kids with worthless degrees that can't get jobs because OUTSOURCING JOBS IS HAPPENING.

[Mavorpen]

Do you use algebra everyday? Most sure don't.

Yes.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Which one?


Anyway, Yandere, you do have an interest in education.
Lets say that the government follows your plan and makes education non compulosry and privatised. Around 50% won't go into secondary/high school, unless they are inspired or their parents know what's best for them. The 50% also includes those who can't afford the private option-probably a large amount. Now, only 50% are fully educated, and only 40% of those fo for a degree. Well done, you've now got 20% of the next generation with skills. Subsequently, over time, tax revenues will fall (unskilled labour generally=low tax payment) and some corporations (who don't get the 20%) will move their operations to China or India, where skill is quite cheap and in no short supply. Since the unskilled majority are relatively lowly paid, less money is spent on goods and so the economy starts to slow or decline. Your pension plan starts to decline in value as the once mighty US companes start to buckle.

We have kids with worthless degrees that can't get jobs because OUTSOURCING JOBS IS HAPPENING.

I'm just saying it will happen a hell of a lot quicker if this happens.

[The God-Realm]

Do you use algebra everyday? Most sure don't.

Yes.

Most people don't do this.