Civil War in Syria, what do you think?

[Tmutarakhan]

Has for this Syrian event, the Syrian President will most likely promote people to the empty government positions.

I'd love to accept your kindly job offer, Mr. Assad, but I, uh, promised my mother I'd take her to the beach this summer...

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

and any credibility you had just went out of the window.

I think what he is trying to say is that if the US and UK. had not helped overthrow the democratic leader of Iran back in the 50's that today Iran would most likely not be a theocracy and on good terms with the Western world.

yeah...no. it does not scan that way to me. Given the comment regarding Saudi Arabia and Israel collaborating the overthrown of the Assad regime...

[Farnhamia]

I think what he is trying to say is that if the US and UK. had not helped overthrow the democratic leader of Iran back in the 50's that today Iran would most likely not be a theocracy and on good terms with the Western world.

yeah...no. it does not scan that way to me. Given the comment regarding Saudi Arabia and Israel collaborating the overthrown of the Assad regime...

Besides, you can't extrapolate politics between the mid 50s and the late 70s. There could well have been an Islamist revolution in Iran even without the Shah, though I have to say, he made a good target.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

yeah...no. it does not scan that way to me. Given the comment regarding Saudi Arabia and Israel collaborating the overthrown of the Assad regime...

Besides, you can't extrapolate politics between the mid 50s and the late 70s. There could well have been an Islamist revolution in Iran even without the Shah, though I have to say, he made a good target.

Yeah...I took that as a given...you are 100% right.

[Shofercia]

The rebels are NATO puppets. Do you really think that an Arab movement that has publically said they support Israel, is a grass roots movement? Not to mention the atrocities (confimed by rebels who left the movement) committed by the rebels, then falsely blamed on the Asaad Gov.

Asaad stands for secularism and Order
The fake rebels stand for US imperialism

Which Arab movement? The one in Syria? I doubt it. The vast majority of Arab movements in the Arab Spring have openly been hostile with their views on Israel.

Which doesn't explain why AIPAC hasn't been massively lobbying against them.

The syrian Minister of Defence died in a bombing in Damascus.

The West is guilty of support for these cowardly terrorists, that defining "activists" or "demonstrators" would outrage against the democratic opposition and peaceful. Deepest sympathy to Assad, the guarantor of national sovereignty and peaceful cohesion of cultures and religions that the Socialist Republic of Syria has maintained and that the West intends to eliminate. Solidarity with the families of regular army soldiers killed by Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, Homeland Martirs dead against the imperialist provocation. They managed to destroy Libya, but will fail to destroy Syria.

They are not democracy fighters, their name is TERRORISTS.

yes, we shall triumph over the tyrannical imperialist decadent jaywalker oppressive zionist pigs supported by I$rael and AmeriKKKa

Stop spamming. Seriously. Stop.

Just let them be. The USA should worry more about the economy right now.

The economy? Who cares about that, we gotta keep on arguing that we should drop bombs in the name of human rights, and hope that most Americans will be distracted by the inadequate wealth distribution, and the shrinking middle class! New logic says that anyone can produce guns and butter.

I don't know who you're talking about, but I originally supported the protesters (blindly, really).
I think you're just being biased to be honest. I simply looked into the real situation rather than using news reports. I looked at old and new interviews with Assad, talked to Syrians (someone who I know from there who now lives in the U.S. says he supports NEITHER side).
I also looked at EVERY news report, looked at every source I could find, and I've come to the conclusion that more trust should be placed in the government. Let them hold new elections. THAT should be where pressure comes in, not at toppling the stability there...the country is too divided, with too many minorities, to play a game of civil war in Syria. You will have massacres, maybe even genocide, of Alawites. Not just in Syria, by the way; in Lebanon the Sunnis are up in arms against Alawites periodically.
New elections are the key. Let Assad leave once elections are over. He has stated that he would concede defeat if he lost an election; let's see if that works. If it doesn't, other options are available. Aggression as a first strategy isn't proper in any way.

Assad is the person stopping them from having new elections. What do you think the protestors want?

Protip: once you have a gun in your hand and you're shooting at government forces, you are an armed rebel, not a protester.

Leaving everything alone sounds good.
We messed up Iraq and Afghanistan by sticking our noses in, and I wear a t-shirt like this: http://getfuzzyarchive.blogspot.com/200 ... chive.html

Yo Assad, just let 'em come within like 200 meters or so of your hideyhole, and then do this:

Wishing death upon someone...
stay classy...

Oh, but that's perfectly fine when he's on the other side /sarcasm

I am wondering at the moment as to what impact this will have on the Olympics - there has been talk of Syria competing under a neutral flag recently.

Those who qualified will probably compete under the Olympic Flag. If athletes qualified and didn't take part in the Civil War, no reason to disqualify them.

No. Shakwat did not competely agree with Bashar. So with Shakwat not guiding them, they will not follow Bashar but stand down. Some will defect, some will stay with Bashar.


And there was top-notch security, you cannot deny that, and right now it came out that the Turkish Government has confirmed this rumor. (It was no big secret they were supportin the FSA)

and how did the FSA know the whereabouts of all these men ,and most of all sneak INTO the capital.
No it was not one bodyguard
500 kg of explosives were used, this was all planned.

500kg of explosive? Was the suicide bomber a weightlifter?

Shame, he could've won an Olympic medal!

Syrian Defence Minister just got blown to bits...along with other high ranking Syrian gov officials.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18882149

With luck we are seeing the end game here.

edit - ninja'd sorta...my post is that more than just the Defence Minister died.

Music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeTW2MRUpes

The final assault has truly begun!

Because supporting a suicide bomber is perfectly fine when he's on your side, amirite? I wonder, did you support all those Iraqi suicide bombers fighting against the invading army? I don't support any suicide bombers, irrespective of whom they hit.

Wish UAWC was here to party with us-

Wait, no, he'd be denouncing the whole thing as secretly sponsored and created by the CIA/MI6/MOSSAD from the beginning. Never mind.

Now you're attacking someone who isn't even here?!

[Exi1and]

This is outrageous. I hope that al-Assad makes an example of some terrorist cities for this despicable act.

[Shofercia]

This is outrageous. I hope that al-Assad makes an example of some terrorist cities for this despicable act.

You mean like making Georgia howl?

[Wamitoria]

Well, there goes the Defense Minister.

Damn, the Syrian rebels' attack on Damascus seems to be going much better than anyone expected.

[Exi1and]

This is outrageous. I hope that al-Assad makes an example of some terrorist cities for this despicable act.

You mean like making Georgia howl?

I do not understand. You are talking about the war against Georgia in 2008?

[West Vandengaarde]

Wishing death upon someone...
stay classy...

Oh, but that's perfectly fine when he's on the other side /sarcasm

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

[Wamitoria]

Oh, but that's perfectly fine when he's on the other side /sarcasm

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

Uh... so much is wrong here.

The rebels did not initiate violence. They protested peacefully, and were shot at and their homes were shelled.

[Exi1and]

Oh, but that's perfectly fine when he's on the other side /sarcasm

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

Russia does not betray its allies.

The time for negotiations is over. Terrorists can talk when they were defeated and their leaders are dead or in jail.

[West Vandengaarde]

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

Uh... so much is wrong here.

The rebels did not initiate violence. They protested peacefully, and were shot at and their homes were shelled.

Oh, so the Syrian army found where they all lived and shot artillery shells at their houses? Yeah, I doubt it.
And prove that the army initiated violence. Prove that said violence was unwarranted. Prove that the protesters didn't intent to start rebellion.

[West Vandengaarde]

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

Russia does not betray its allies.

The time for negotiations is over. Terrorists can talk when they were defeated and their leaders are dead or in jail.

I suppose hoping for talks is blind optimism at this point, since the rebels are always the first to break every ceasefire, with the sad excuse of "The government would do it if we didn't!"

[Exi1and]

Uh... so much is wrong here.

The rebels did not initiate violence. They protested peacefully, and were shot at and their homes were shelled.

Oh, so the Syrian army found where they all lived and shot artillery shells at their houses? Yeah, I doubt it.
And prove that the army initiated violence. Prove that said violence was unwarranted. Prove that the protesters didn't intent to start rebellion.

The act of protest was one of rebellion, as the goal was to remove the legitimate government. Since then, the government was right to defend itself.

[Shofercia]

You mean like making Georgia howl?

I do not understand. You are talking about the war against Georgia in 2008?

Google "William Tecumseh Sherman"

[Wamitoria]

Uh... so much is wrong here.

The rebels did not initiate violence. They protested peacefully, and were shot at and their homes were shelled.

Oh, so the Syrian army found where they all lived and shot artillery shells at their houses? Yeah, I doubt it.

Um... you don't understand how totalitarian governments work, do you.

Source for government initiating violence.

[West Vandengaarde]

Oh, so the Syrian army found where they all lived and shot artillery shells at their houses? Yeah, I doubt it.
And prove that the army initiated violence. Prove that said violence was unwarranted. Prove that the protesters didn't intent to start rebellion.

The act of protest was one of rebellion, as the goal was to remove the legitimate government. Since then, the government was right to defend itself.

That was proven when, despite reforms being passed, they continued their murders. Had they laid down arms at least temporarily to allow the government to show it meant what it was doing, perhaps there could be sympathy for them, but at this point they are despicable.

[Yuktova]

You wanna know what's weird...

The US and the UN help the Libyan rebels but not the Syrian rebels... Hmm... Interesting...

[West Vandengaarde]

Oh, so the Syrian army found where they all lived and shot artillery shells at their houses? Yeah, I doubt it.

Um... you don't understand how totalitarian governments work, do you.

Source for government initiating violence.

First you cite a Jewish news source. One point docked.
Second, thousands of protesters is NOT a popular movement, and 10 killed from thousands points to it not being a massacre of protesters but perhaps riot prevention.

[Wamitoria]

The act of protest was one of rebellion, as the goal was to remove the legitimate government. Since then, the government was right to defend itself.

That was proven when, despite reforms being passed, they continued their murders. Had they laid down arms at least temporarily to allow the government to show it meant what it was doing, perhaps there could be sympathy for them, but at this point they are despicable.

Yes, and the Jewish lizard-people are causing the uprising in order to further the imperialist ambitions of the rothchilds.

For fuck sake, listen to yourself. You sound like a goddamn New Left nutcase from the late '60s.

[Shofercia]

Oh, but that's perfectly fine when he's on the other side /sarcasm

Shofercia! Hello!
Thank you, Russians, for not allowing the west to destroy Syria. I know you are not in Russia but I must thank your people.
I hope the terrorists are repulsed from Damascus and that they can negotiate not with guns, but with words. Rebels should lay down their weapons and bring peace.

To be quite honest, I don't support Assad. On the other hand, considering what's happening to the Copts in Egypt, and to darker blacks in Libya, and the Syrian tensions, I'd rather not risk the potential for the Alawite Genocide, so you're partially welcome

[Wamitoria]

Um... you don't understand how totalitarian governments work, do you.

Source for government initiating violence.

First you cite a Jewish news source. One point docked.
Second, thousands of protesters is NOT a popular movement, and 10 killed from thousands points to it not being a massacre of protesters but perhaps riot prevention.

Oh my fucking god. Yep, it's the Jews trying to start shit in Syria. Obviously.

Goddamn your post is fucking stupid.

[West Vandengaarde]

That was proven when, despite reforms being passed, they continued their murders. Had they laid down arms at least temporarily to allow the government to show it meant what it was doing, perhaps there could be sympathy for them, but at this point they are despicable.

Yes, and the Jewish lizard-people are causing the uprising in order to further the imperialist ambitions of the rothchilds.

For fuck sake, listen to yourself. You sound like a goddamn New Left nutcase from the late '60s.

I don't like violence. I don't like how the rebels are closely associated with Al Qaeda and other groups. I don't like how they slaughter Alawites and discriminate against Christians. I like the Assad presidency.

[Yuktova]

That was proven when, despite reforms being passed, they continued their murders. Had they laid down arms at least temporarily to allow the government to show it meant what it was doing, perhaps there could be sympathy for them, but at this point they are despicable.

Yes, and the Jewish lizard-people are causing the uprising in order to further the imperialist ambitions of the rothchilds.

For fuck sake, listen to yourself. You sound like a goddamn New Left nutcase from the late '60s.

Syria already has a bank owned by the Rothchilds, so starting a revolution is kinda stupid for them.