Civil War in Syria, what do you think?

[Shofercia]

I have a feeling that if this goes on long enough, a foreign nation might get involved in the conflict to help their side of interest, then another foreign nation that opposes the other foreign nation would get involve as well, escalating into a third world war.

Nah, this scenario's more likely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.

Obama funded the Contras? Really?

The question was "which groups did US fund?" not "which groups did Obama fund?" The Contras aren't even active anymore, they got creamed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.

I'm not denying that we've funded terrorists before. I'm denying that we're currently funding terrorists.

KLA were a terrorist group in 1998, and US is still funding parts of that rogue group.

I stated that if a nation or person does something in the past it is most likely to reoccur again. So if the US funded the Contras then i assume the US will still fund pro-rebel groups or dictators or the like. Assad happens to be one of the dictators that did not support the US

Therefore, Belgium is likely to attempt genocide of black people and Russia is likely to invade Turkey for teh lulz.

Russia didn't invade Turkey for the lulz. Russia either invaded Turkey because Turkey declared War on Russia, or because Russians wanted Istanbul. Seeing as Russian tourists capture Istanbul every night, and seeing that Turkey's no longer declaring war on Russia, no invasion is necessary

well intervention would just make it a even bigger bloodbath and would send that region up in flames

It really couldn't get a lot more bloodier at this point. I have a feeling that we're going to find out a lot of bad things about Assad after his government falls.

Oh, it could definitely get bloodier.

I can support neither sides. Both are bloodthirsty idiots.

Pretty much this ^

Why is this anything to do with us?
Don't we have other things to spend money on?

No, we must police the World! We must kill every single meany dictator! We must intervene in the dozen countries! /sarcasm

[The Republic of Lanos]

No, we must police the World! We must kill every single meany dictator! We must intervene in the dozen countries! /sarcasm

Prague called...they want their spring back from 1968.

[Shofercia]

Also, fighting for your own capital doesn't mean that you're defeated.

But it's not a good sign.

Assad should be forced to hold elections! Again, I'm not giving him a choice.

Uh... you and what army are not going him a choice?

I was recommending that the UNSC not give him a choice in terms of holding elections. But US/UK/France want to impose sanctions that will help the armed rebels. I'm for treating both sides equally.

No, we must police the World! We must kill every single meany dictator! We must intervene in the dozen countries! /sarcasm

Prague called...they want their spring back from 1968.

That was a huge Soviet mistake. Now, how's this relevant to the thread? Also, guess which government gets my taxes? So when I speak as an American taxpayer, which I am, I can use "we", cause I doubt that I'm the only American taxpayer. (Well to be fair, Russia's Government gets my taxes too, but US Government gets the first call.)

[Allrule]

No, we must police the World! We must kill every single meany dictator! We must intervene in the dozen countries! /sarcasm

Prague called...they want their spring back from 1968.

And no one's argued for world-wide intervention (except maybe Hippostania, but no one loves him anyway), but who cares about actually responding to arguments when you can just mock a pathetic caricature? /sarcasm

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not sure how Russia can continue to let the Syrian people suffer under Assad. I guess they just want Tartus that bad.

[Allrule]

I'm not sure how Russia can continue to let the Syrian people suffer under Assad. I guess they just want Tartus that bad.

Actually, Russia is being humanitarian because if we don't intervene, America's teens won't be sent into the meat grinder and thus more people won't die.

Syrian teens? Eh, fuck 'em, they're smelly brown people who wear towels on their heads, eat funny foods, and talk weird, too.

[Shofercia]

Prague called...they want their spring back from 1968.

And no one's argued for world-wide intervention (except maybe Hippostania, but no one loves him anyway), but who cares about actually responding to arguments when you can just mock a pathetic caricature? /sarcasm

Oh, you mean like your posts do in every other post that you make in this thread? There's so much "quality" in those posts, that I had to separate them into groups of four to prevent the reader from being "overqualified by the posts' sensationalism! Your posts are constantly claiming that those who are anti-intervention are anti-Zionist, and/or are anti-Jewish bankers, and/or believe in Illuminati lizards, and at least one post goes as far as promoting Rupert Murdoch's (Sky News') sensationalism, which "just magically" happened to coincide with the side that you're supporting.

So, people that rise up against dictatorship are automatically evil terrorists intent on killing innocent people an ergo must be destroyed?

No see, everyone loves Assad and the rebels are just puppets of The West^TM funded by the evil Jewish bankers as part of their evil plan to stage a bunch of revolutions known as the "Arab Spring" to establish pro-American puppets in the Middle East-North Africa region.

Their remarkable penchant for using Alex Jones as an "expert American politics analyst"?

Obviously you've been brainwashed by the Illuminati Lizardmen to think that Alex Jones is a laughable conspiracy theorist instead of the only TRUTHFUL reporter against the LAMESTREAM media!

After all, it's not like Jones himself has ironically engaged in a number of propaganda against the FSA...

It's not imperialism if you come and then leave after restoring order.

I'm saddened to see so many proudly proclaiming themselves "leftists", and yet going on to beat war drums for the Amerikkkan/I$raeli war machine. It is even more saddening when they attempt to use Assad's "murders" as a justification for imperialism. Let me explain.

I am not denying that there are people dying in Syria right now; this would be simple idiocy. But, it is not the fault of Assad or the Syrian Army, who have worked valiantly to defend Syria against imperialist threats. It is the fault of the United $nakes, the €urop€an Union, and the Zionist regime in I$rael, all of whom have sponsored a genocidal war of rape and murder by funding and creating the Syrian National Council and "Free" Syrian Army, both of which are composed of Amerikkkan CIA agents trained by Mossad.

Open your eyes. Syria is just one of many countries fighting against imperialism as we speak. China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos- all of these countries have fought against imperialism in the past, and they are still fighting today. We must therefore encourage all anti-imperialist countries to unite as one front, which will finally crush the imperialist bourgeoisie once and for all.

Open your eyes. The Ba'ath Party will show you the true way.

Well originally you had the syrian rebel flag as your flag. Also your sig states that you recognize the SNC as the legitimate government in syria. You sir confuse me.

I do not deny it. I was shamefully swayed by the mainstream media, which acted as propaganda for imperialism and claimed that the "Free" Syrian Army's murders were committed by the noble and just Syrian Army, into believing that the Syrian National Council was the right path for Syria. However, my eyes have been opened by the Leading Light Communist Organization, which, in addition to exposing the Western lie that Mao killed millions in the Great Leap Forward, has also exposed the Western media lie that Gaddafi killed millions in order to support an imperialist intervention. I plead you now. Do not be swayed by the mainstream media. Find alternative sources, ones that are not beholden to corporations seeking superprofits. They will show you the truth, not just about Syria or Libya, but about the entire "Arab Spring" in general- how it was funded and created by Amerikkka, I$rael, and the €urop€an Union to prop up Western imperialist hegemony.

Open your eyes. Wake up from the imperialist-imposed dream. The truth is within your grasp.

Syrian regime moves chemical weapons to Homs:

http://news.sky.com/story/959953/syria- ... ns-to-homs

Obviously it's actually done by the Zionist Israeli-funded rebels as part of a false-flag operation to make Assad look like an autogenocidal dictator so Russia and China will withdraw their support, paving the way for an Imperialist^TM invasion. (Image)

http://www.genocidewatch.org/syria.html
http://endgenocide.org/conflict-areas/syria
http://www.shrc.org/default.aspx
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/ ... SH20120714
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ju ... sacre-live

Here's some of that intel you asked for.

Still buying the official story put out by the Zionist media, eh? Or are you a coward who simply doesn't want to speak up because they'll kill you with their long-range nanobot assassination devices, like they did to this heroic Egyptian just yesterday?

"Heaviest clashes yet" reported in Damascus

Don't worry guys, it's all a scheme by the Zionist media and the IMPERIALISTS, everything is fine. (Image)

The S.S. Syria hit an iceberg and more of its crew are abandoning ship.

Ex-Syrian ambassador calls for foreign military intervention

As if the defection of a major Syrian official wasn't big enough news on its own, former ambassador Nawaf al-Fares alleges that the Assad regime had actually given full blown support to Al'Qaeda in its attacks on occupied forces in Iraq. If this is verifiable then that's another inch of noose for Assad and his cronies.

Obviously these are lies by the Zionist tyrannical decadent jaywalker oppressive imperialist pigdogs controlling Amerikkka and I$rael which are purported through the mainstream media. Bashar al-Assad, in his steadfast opposition to Amerikkan-NATO imperialism, has always take the most principled stand against Al-Qaeda, the Arab legion of the United $nakes which was created by the CIA. Claims that he funded Al-Qaeda's collaboration with the imperialist Zionists are baseless lies intended to demonize Bashar al-Assad's anti-imperialism and further public support for the stooge government of NATO in Syria, the SNC, which is composed of Mossad agents.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

[Wamitoria]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

And Shoferica has been here long enough to remember the sheer fuckton of crazy that spewed into the Libyan Civil War thread last year.

[Shofercia]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

There's generally a difference between use and abuse. Making witty comments is one thing; using sarcasm to place claims into your opponents mouths, while repeating the same incessant dicta, that would be abuse.

[Allrule]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

More likely Shof's just had his head in the sand for so long (because seriously, how else can you believe Assad will suddenly go, "OK, I'll hold UNSC-monitored elections, and no rigging, too!" after all he's done) that he's forgotten how to comprehend other people's senses of humor.

[Shofercia]

I'm not sure how Russia can continue to let the Syrian people suffer under Assad. I guess they just want Tartus that bad.

Actually, Russia is being humanitarian because if we don't intervene, America's teens won't be sent into the meat grinder and thus more people won't die.

Syrian teens? Eh, fuck 'em, they're smelly brown people who wear towels on their heads, eat funny foods, and talk weird, too.

Wow, accusing Russians of not intervening due to racism. That's just plain pathetic.

[Shofercia]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

More likely Shof's just had his head in the sand for so long (because seriously, how else can you believe Assad will suddenly go, "OK, I'll hold UNSC-monitored elections, and no rigging, too!" after all he's done) that he's forgotten how to comprehend other people's senses of humor.

A joke is funny once. Maybe twice. When you repeat it constantly, it stops being funny, and starts being annoying. When your every other post repeats the same joke, I get to point that out, and you don't get to hide behind the "oh, but it's just sarcasm, you have no sense of humor" blanket. If UNSC orders Assad to hold them, and gets the rebels and government forces to stop firing at each other, he won't have that much of choice. UNSC can be very persuasive, just as the North Koreans in the 1950s'...

Oh, and a nice "head in sand" ad hominem. Can't do without those, can you?

[The Republic of Lanos]

UNSC can be very persuasive, just as the North Koreans in the 1950s'...

I believe you just contradicted yourself in that post with this statement.

[Tmutarakhan]

I was recommending that the UNSC not give him a choice in terms of holding elections.

Then you are supporting armed intervention.

[Shofercia]

UNSC can be very persuasive, just as the North Koreans in the 1950s'...

I believe you just contradicted yourself in that post with this statement.

How so? It was a statement showing the limits of UNSC's persuasive powers, and not drawing any parallels. It's not calling for armed intervention.

I was recommending that the UNSC not give him a choice in terms of holding elections.

Then you are supporting armed intervention.

No, what I am supporting is the UNSC coming to both sides and saying "you will hold elections, or else we'll help the other side" and treating both sides equally during the UNSC monitored elections. The threat of force would be quite persuasive. Currently, UK/France/US want to aid the rebels, and completely ignore anyone that's even remotely supporting the government; that style of intervention led to numerous human rights abuses in Libya.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I believe you just contradicted yourself in that post with this statement.

How so?

UNSC said stop the Korean War, North Korea said no...they pretty much thumbed their noses at the world since 1948.

[Shofercia]

How so?

UNSC said stop the Korean War, North Korea said no...they pretty much thumbed their noses at the world since 1948.

Erm, actually North Korea started the Korean War, then UNSC got involved, and stopped the war, after first demanding that North Korea withdraw. Here, France/UK/US don't even want to give Syria's Government a choice. Had Kim backed down, UNSC would've just let it go. Instead we had a war, that achieved - just about the same demarcation line that previously existed.

[Shofercia]

Here, I'll even redraft that resolution:

Noting with grave concern the civil war in Syria,

Determines that this action constitutes a breach of the peace; and

I Calls for the immediate cessation of hostilities;

Calls upon both sides to withdraw; [edited out text about 38th parallel - not sure how that's relevant to Syria]

II Requests the United Nations Commission on Syria:

(a) To communicate its fully considered recommendations on the situation with the least possible delay;

(b) To observe the elections

(c) To keep the Security Council informed on the execution of this resolution:

[Third one was optional, so I removed it]

[Shofercia]

I think Allrule is using the practice of satire...

And Shoferica has been here long enough to remember the sheer fuckton of crazy that spewed into the Libyan Civil War thread last year.

Thank you! And in that thread, I pointed to potential human rights abuses that would result in intervention, and they did! Hence the frustration, i.e. "oh not this again..."

Well, what facts do point towards future necessity of US involvement?

torture. no rule of law. rule of warlords. ethnic cleansing.

stuff like that. why be ruled by gaddafi when you can be ruled by thousands of gaddafi's.

Ok, how'd you find better links than me?

What search terms did you use, cause I tried all variations of "Libya ethnic cleansing" and "Tawergha ethnic cleansing" and that one didn't come up.

[Exi1and]

I'm not sure how Russia can continue to let the Syrian people suffer under Assad. I guess they just want Tartus that bad.

It is not just about Tartous, while ensuring the safety of strategic facilities is essential. It is also about standing for a long time ally, when he is threatened by seditious elements that demand the election.

[Costa Fiero]

It is not just about Tartous, while ensuring the safety of strategic facilities is essential. It is also about standing for a long time ally, when he is threatened by seditious elements that demand the election.

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

[Exi1and]

It is not just about Tartous, while ensuring the safety of strategic facilities is essential. It is also about standing for a long time ally, when he is threatened by seditious elements that demand the election.

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

[Wamitoria]

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

You aren't helping your side's case, dude.

[Allrule]

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

You aren't helping your side's case, dude.

Give him credit.

At least he's honest enough to say he wants the rebels slaughtered and supports rigging elections to put in "strong leaders" like Assad (apparently "strong leadership" = "shooting up protesters who don't like you").