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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:53 pm

Northern Bavungria wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The S.S. Syria hit an iceberg and more of its crew are abandoning ship.

Ex-Syrian ambassador calls for foreign military intervention

As if the defection of a major Syrian official wasn't big enough news on its own, former ambassador Nawaf al-Fares alleges that the Assad regime had actually given full blown support to Al'Qaeda in its attacks on occupied forces in Iraq. If this is verifiable then that's another inch of noose for Assad and his cronies.
Also America has sponsored terrorists in other countries so maybe we should take out obama? Most countries support terrorists in others.

Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?
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Postby Allrule » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Northern Bavungria wrote:
Gauthier wrote:The S.S. Syria hit an iceberg and more of its crew are abandoning ship.

Ex-Syrian ambassador calls for foreign military intervention

As if the defection of a major Syrian official wasn't big enough news on its own, former ambassador Nawaf al-Fares alleges that the Assad regime had actually given full blown support to Al'Qaeda in its attacks on occupied forces in Iraq. If this is verifiable then that's another inch of noose for Assad and his cronies.
Also America has sponsored terrorists in other countries so maybe we should take out obama? Most countries support terrorists in others.

Lame tu quoque fallacy is lame.
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Postby Ridicularia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:55 pm

Wamitoria wrote:Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?

Oh man, you don't want to open that can of worms. I'm pro-US, but we should really leave those skeletons in the closet.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Northern Bavungria wrote: Also America has sponsored terrorists in other countries so maybe we should take out obama? Most countries support terrorists in others.

Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?


none. since the US your government decides who it designates and who it sponsors.

want to sponsor them? just remove them from the list.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 pm

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Wamitoria wrote:Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?

Oh man, you don't want to open that can of worms. I'm pro-US, but we should really leave those skeletons in the closet.

Are we currently sponsoring any designated terrorists? Seriously, I don't know of any.
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Postby Northern Bavungria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Northern Bavungria wrote: Also America has sponsored terrorists in other countries so maybe we should take out obama? Most countries support terrorists in others.

Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?

Well ironicaly due to the super awesome security measures taken by the American government to keep this stuff secret idk. However i can name some past events and ya it is the past but usually the past repeats itself. The USA funded afghanistan jihadist, Nicaraguan dictator, you could call Israel terrorist... the Khmer Rouge once Vietnam took over Cambodia to free it from Pol Pot, hell you could even call the rebels in syria terrorist. Nevertheless i will admit the government is killling innocents.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Ridicularia wrote:Oh man, you don't want to open that can of worms. I'm pro-US, but we should really leave those skeletons in the closet.

Are we currently sponsoring any designated terrorists? Seriously, I don't know of any.


And for anyone who'll try to bring up the IRA, a couple of things. One, the U.S. Government did not sponsor the IRA officially or otherwise. And two, the IRA aren't really active at the moment.
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Postby Ridicularia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

Wamitoria wrote:Are we currently sponsoring any designated terrorists? Seriously, I don't know of any.

I'll narrow the focus and just toss out one as an example
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm

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Wamitoria wrote:Um... which designated terrorist organizations are we sponsoring?


none. since the US your government decides who it designates and who it sponsors.

want to sponsor them? just remove them from the list.

Ok, which internationally defined terrorist groups are we sponsoring?
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Postby Northern Bavungria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:02 pm

Allrule wrote:
Northern Bavungria wrote: Also America has sponsored terrorists in other countries so maybe we should take out obama? Most countries support terrorists in others.

Lame tu quoque fallacy is lame.

my apologies maybe i should bring up some sources to back my claim. One second.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:02 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
none. since the US your government decides who it designates and who it sponsors.

want to sponsor them? just remove them from the list.

Ok, which internationally defined terrorist groups are we sponsoring?


Pakistani intelligence?

IRA was popular pre-9/11
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Postby Ridicularia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:02 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:Pakistani intelligence?

Sorry about that again, we didn't know they're be so crazy.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:04 pm

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Wamitoria wrote:Ok, which internationally defined terrorist groups are we sponsoring?


Pakistani intelligence?

IRA was popular pre-9/11

We don't fund the ISI and we never funded the PIRA.

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:04 pm

Ridicularia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Are we currently sponsoring any designated terrorists? Seriously, I don't know of any.

I'll narrow the focus and just toss out one as an example

Quite the opposite of "sponsoring" them, we have had tight legal restrictions against them for a very long time. Lifting those sanctions is being considered since they have not been engaged in terrorist activity in recent years.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:05 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
Pakistani intelligence?

IRA was popular pre-9/11

We don't fund the ISI and we never funded the PIRA.

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11


And that whole logical WTF of funding the one group that's actively fucking you in the ass with regards to ISI.
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Postby Ridicularia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:06 pm

Wamitoria wrote:We don't fund the ISI and we never funded the PIRA.

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11

Dude, we like, created the ISI. We funded the Taliban, pumped money into Pakistan, and then continued writing checks long after we left. We still do arms deals with Pakistan.
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Postby Northern Bavungria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:07 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:07 pm

Northern Bavungria wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.


Obama funded the Contras? Really?
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Ridicularia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Are we currently sponsoring any designated terrorists? Seriously, I don't know of any.

I'll narrow the focus and just toss out one as an example

We don't fund them. Some of our more short-sighted neocon politicians and lobbyists think we should, but all of their efforts have been for naught so far.
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Postby Ridicularia » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Tmutarakhan wrote:Quite the opposite of "sponsoring" them, we have had tight legal restrictions against them for a very long time. Lifting those sanctions is being considered since they have not been engaged in terrorist activity in recent years.

Debatable.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
Pakistani intelligence?

IRA was popular pre-9/11

We don't fund the ISI and we never funded the PIRA......

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11


....any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:10 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:We don't fund the ISI and we never funded the PIRA......

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/11


....any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID


NORAID was never an official government agency.
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Postby Northern Bavungria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:11 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Northern Bavungria wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.


Obama funded the Contras? Really?

I stated that if a nation or person does something in the past it is most likely to reoccur again. So if the US funded the Contras then i assume the US will still fund pro-rebel groups or dictators or the like. Assad happens to be one of the dictators that did not support the US
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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:12 pm

Northern Bavungria wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

proof about supporting a Nicaraguan rebel groups.

I'm not denying that we've funded terrorists before. I'm denying that we're currently funding terrorists.

Ridicularia wrote:Dude, we like, created the ISI.

The ISI formed in 1948, long before any proxy conflict involving Pakistan and India began.

Ridicularia wrote:We funded the Taliban

The Mujaheddin, you mean. Most of the guys we funded went on to become the Northern Alliance. Saudi and Pakistani funded Mujaheddin went on to join the Taliban in much larger numbers.
Ridicularia wrote:We still do arms deals with Pakistan.

Note the source I just provided.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:12 pm

Northern Bavungria wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Obama funded the Contras? Really?

I stated that if a nation or person does something in the past it is most likely to reoccur again. So if the US funded the Contras then i assume the US will still fund pro-rebel groups or dictators or the like. Assad happens to be one of the dictators that did not support the US


Can you name any terrorist groups in modern times that are currently being funded by the United States?
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