Civil War in Syria, what do you think?

[Allrule]

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Middle Eastern state gasses people for no apparent reason. Ain't that a surprise.

And the UN does nothing except send Kofi Annan, who looks like the bastard love-child of Neville Chamberlain and Dan Quayle, thus letting Assad get away with auto-genocide.

Sigh...

[Samozaryadnyastan]

As heard 5 minutes ago on BBC24, "Syrian security forces would not hesitate to use chemical weapons".

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Damn this slow mobile internet

[Jafas United]

Middle Eastern state gasses people for no apparent reason. Ain't that a surprise.

And the UN does nothing except send Kofi Annan, who looks like the bastard love-child of Neville Chamberlain and Dan Quayle, thus letting Assad get away with auto-genocide.

Sigh...

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

[Allrule]

And the UN does nothing except send Kofi Annan, who looks like the bastard love-child of Neville Chamberlain and Dan Quayle, thus letting Assad get away with auto-genocide.

Sigh...

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

Not that it matters, for the Battle of Damascus has begun!
*starts playing The Final Countdown*

[Samozaryadnyastan]

UN's suffering League of Nations syndrome.
Needs a dedicated military branch and the will to use it to enforce their own resolutions.

[Gauthier]

And the UN does nothing except send Kofi Annan, who looks like the bastard love-child of Neville Chamberlain and Dan Quayle, thus letting Assad get away with auto-genocide.

Sigh...

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

And any time someone proposes giving them teeth, all the major countries bitch fit.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

And any time someone proposes giving them teeth, all the major countries bitch fit.

Who has permanent seats on the Security Council?
America, Britain, France, Russia, China.
You at all surprised?

The Cold War may be over, but the East and West still don't see eye-to-eye militarily.

[Valkland]

The rebels are NATO puppets. Do you really think that an Arab movement that has publically said they support Israel, is a grass roots movement? Not to mention the atrocities (confimed by rebels who left the movement) committed by the rebels, then falsely blamed on the Asaad Gov.

Asaad stands for secularism and Order
The fake rebels stand for US imperialism

[SD_Film Artists]

The rebels are NATO puppets. Do you really think that an Arab movement that has publically said they support Israel, is a grass roots movement? Not to mention the atrocities (confimed by rebels who left the movement) committed by the rebels, then falsely blamed on the Asaad Gov.

Asaad stands for secularism and Order
The fake rebels stand for US imperialism

You're simultaneously taking a "only true rebels are ones who I agree with" attitude while claiming to be anti-imperialist. What ever happened to letting the people decide for themselves?

And even if the rebels are pro-NATO, I don't feel obliged to defend Russia's holding of the Tartus naval base.

I suspect that the rebels really couldn't care less about what happens in NATO meetings beyond things which directly effect their nation; they're just annoyed at Russia for its stance on Assad.

[Artanili Datium]

Libya 2.0


Support positions only.

[CTALNH]

Russia has bases in Syria.NATO and America ain't gonna do nothing about the civil war there.


Did I make my self clear?

[Jafas United]

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

Not that it matters, for the Battle of Damascus has begun!
*starts playing The Final Countdown*

Unless Assad unexpectedly dies, I cannot see the rebels winning this.

It seems the only logical solution would be to partition Syria between the various sects. I know it's a terrible thing to do, but it's looking like the only option.

[Shofercia]

Point? Football may be fairly popular in Syria.

mabye assad's a Barca fan?

torture. no rule of law. rule of warlords. ethnic cleansing.
stuff like that. why be ruled by gaddafi when you can be ruled by thousands of gaddafi's.

OK, at least I know what you were referring to, now. Indeed it is distressing that such a serious story has gotten very little coverage.

Thank you! And if you look at the coverage, you'll see a pattern: whichever side NATO intervened on, that sides Human Rights Crimes don't get much coverage. The media ain't fair, it's very much pro-intervention, because intervention makes great news coverage, so there's tacit support for whomever intervenes.

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Ahh, lemme guess, Rupert Murdoch Jr? What's next, will this guy also claim that Bashar al Assad has links with Al Qaeda, cause they both have "al" in the name?

Nawaf Fares,

Oh that idiot... I'll just call him Rupert Murdoch Jr.

The most senior Syrian politician to defect to the opposition has told the BBC the regime will not hesitate to use chemical weapons if it is cornered.

I wonder, what else did he say?

Mr Fares's claim that Sunni Muslim militants in al-Qaeda are collaborating with a regime dominated by those from the minority Allawite sect will surprise many.

Challenged on his view that al-Qaeda was collaborating with the regime despite this, Mr Fares said: "There is enough evidence in history that lots of enemies meet when their interests meet."

Wow. Let's use that logic, of someone who Allrule claimed is a valid source: America has used WMDs in the past, when it was in the US interests to do so, clearly America will use WMDs in the future! Besides, there was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so clearly, Al Assad and Al Qaeda are cooperating!

Geez, where else have I heard claims about WMDs and ties to Al Qaeda before, and what did that lead to?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

Now Fares just needs a cool name, like "Magellan" and we're all set!

As heard 5 minutes ago on BBC24, "Syrian security forces would not hesitate to use chemical weapons".

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Damn this slow mobile internet

The guy who made that post, erm, his previous posts include a Rupert Murdoch source on the same topic, when there was a much less inflammatory and much more credible evidence available in the WSJ. The source is Fares, who's also claiming that Assad has ties to Al Qaeda, and since enemies worked together in the past - Assad's working with Al Qaeda.

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

Not that it matters, for the Battle of Damascus has begun!
*starts playing The Final Countdown*

From your very own source above:

Rebel officers said thousands of fighters had converged on the capital, a government stronghold during 16 months of turmoil, to bring the battle from Syria's turbulent provinces into Assad's power center.

But it was not clear whether either side could deliver a decisive blow. Free Syrian Army fighters said they had killed 70 members of the security forces and pro-Assad militiamen known as shabbiha over the past 24 hours.

To be fair, other than saying "Please. Please. Can you please stop?" the UN can't do all that much.

And any time someone proposes giving them teeth, all the major countries bitch fit.

And who, aside from NATO and SCO countries, will be providing said teeth? Who has veto power? Three NATO and two SCO countries.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Middle Eastern state gasses people for no apparent reason. Ain't that a surprise.

Syria's taking a page from Iraq? I thought they hated Saddam.

[Allrule]

Har, state media has dropped all mention of Damascus in their broadcasts. Guess they're trying their hardest to ignore that GIANT elephant in the living room...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18866265

[Andaluciae]

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Ahh, lemme guess, Rupert Murdoch Jr? What's next, will this guy also claim that Bashar al Assad has links with Al Qaeda, cause they both have "al" in the name?

Nawaf Fares,

Oh that idiot... I'll just call him Rupert Murdoch Jr.

That's shoddy work, and you know you're better than that. Rupert Murdoch Jr? Couldn't you come up with something better? Hell, I would have gone with Ahmed Chalabi II, or something. Try harder.

[Shofercia]

Ahh, lemme guess, Rupert Murdoch Jr? What's next, will this guy also claim that Bashar al Assad has links with Al Qaeda, cause they both have "al" in the name?



Oh that idiot... I'll just call him Rupert Murdoch Jr.

That's shoddy work, and you know you're better than that. Rupert Murdoch Jr? Couldn't you come up with something better? Hell, I would have gone with Ahmed Chalabi II, or something. Try harder.

Rupert Murdoch Jr. was just the first thing that came into my head, because the first source that I saw that was sucking on Fares' cheap ass propaganda was Rupert Murdoch's Sky News.

[Greater Ilanar]

I think people should stop talking about it so much. Either we're going to do nothing or we are going to aid the rebels. It's not doing any good just talking about it all day without any action.

[The UK in Exile]

mabye assad's a Barca fan?

OK, at least I know what you were referring to, now. Indeed it is distressing that such a serious story has gotten very little coverage.

Thank you! And if you look at the coverage, you'll see a pattern: whichever side NATO intervened on, that sides Human Rights Crimes don't get much coverage. The media ain't fair, it's very much pro-intervention, because intervention makes great news coverage, so there's tacit support for whomever intervenes.

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Ahh, lemme guess, Rupert Murdoch Jr? What's next, will this guy also claim that Bashar al Assad has links with Al Qaeda, cause they both have "al" in the name?

Nawaf Fares,

Oh that idiot... I'll just call him Rupert Murdoch Jr.

The most senior Syrian politician to defect to the opposition has told the BBC the regime will not hesitate to use chemical weapons if it is cornered.

I wonder, what else did he say?

Mr Fares's claim that Sunni Muslim militants in al-Qaeda are collaborating with a regime dominated by those from the minority Allawite sect will surprise many.

Challenged on his view that al-Qaeda was collaborating with the regime despite this, Mr Fares said: "There is enough evidence in history that lots of enemies meet when their interests meet."

Wow. Let's use that logic, of someone who Allrule claimed is a valid source: America has used WMDs in the past, when it was in the US interests to do so, clearly America will use WMDs in the future! Besides, there was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so clearly, Al Assad and Al Qaeda are cooperating!

Geez, where else have I heard claims about WMDs and ties to Al Qaeda before, and what did that lead to?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

Now Fares just needs a cool name, like "Magellan" and we're all set!

As heard 5 minutes ago on BBC24, "Syrian security forces would not hesitate to use chemical weapons".

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

Damn this slow mobile internet

The guy who made that post, erm, his previous posts include a Rupert Murdoch source on the same topic, when there was a much less inflammatory and much more credible evidence available in the WSJ. The source is Fares, who's also claiming that Assad has ties to Al Qaeda, and since enemies worked together in the past - Assad's working with Al Qaeda.

Not that it matters, for the Battle of Damascus has begun!
*starts playing The Final Countdown*

From your very own source above:

Rebel officers said thousands of fighters had converged on the capital, a government stronghold during 16 months of turmoil, to bring the battle from Syria's turbulent provinces into Assad's power center.

But it was not clear whether either side could deliver a decisive blow. Free Syrian Army fighters said they had killed 70 members of the security forces and pro-Assad militiamen known as shabbiha over the past 24 hours.

And any time someone proposes giving them teeth, all the major countries bitch fit.

And who, aside from NATO and SCO countries, will be providing said teeth? Who has veto power? Three NATO and two SCO countries.

India, Pakistan and I think Bangladesh are actually the top troop contributing nations. NATO nations are actually way down the list.

[Shofercia]

And who, aside from NATO and SCO countries, will be providing said teeth? Who has veto power? Three NATO and two SCO countries.

India, Pakistan and I think Bangladesh are actually the top troop contributing nations. NATO nations are actually way down the list.

Here's the list, you're right about the trio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... acekeepers

Those are fairly large contributions, but with all of those contribution, the UN Peacekeepers are only able to handle 16 missions, and some of them - not very well. For example, were they effective in Congo? Sure, they're doing their best, but without massive support from either NATO or SCO, it's tough. Then we also get things like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3686173.stm

My point is that without NATO/SCO, peacekeeping isn't going to be very effective, unless it's an easy job, or you have someone who knows their stuff inside and out in charge.

[Germanic Templars]

I think people should stop talking about it so much. Either we're going to do nothing or we are going to aid the rebels. It's not doing any good just talking about it all day without any action.

If you weren't then you would realize that people will still discuss it, whether the rebels were given aid or not. They will still discuss it.

[The UK in Exile]

India, Pakistan and I think Bangladesh are actually the top troop contributing nations. NATO nations are actually way down the list.

Here's the list, you're right about the trio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... acekeepers

Those are fairly large contributions, but with all of those contribution, the UN Peacekeepers are only able to handle 16 missions, and some of them - not very well. For example, were they effective in Congo? Sure, they're doing their best, but without massive support from either NATO or SCO, it's tough.

well the top 15 nations contribute some 70,000 troops. taking the counter-insurgency ratio of needing 1 soldier to every 50 civilians the UN can effectively peacekeep some 3.5 million people. or 1/20 of the DRC.

the UN is probably doing as well as can be expected. especially if the US still isn't paying its way.

[Shofercia]

Here's the list, you're right about the trio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... acekeepers

Those are fairly large contributions, but with all of those contribution, the UN Peacekeepers are only able to handle 16 missions, and some of them - not very well. For example, were they effective in Congo? Sure, they're doing their best, but without massive support from either NATO or SCO, it's tough.

well the top 15 nations contribute some 70,000 troops. taking the counter-insurgency ratio of needing 1 soldier to every 50 civilians the UN can effectively peacekeep some 3.5 million people. or 1/20 of the DRC.

the UN is probably doing as well as can be expected. especially if the US still isn't paying its way.

Oh, I agree with you that the UN is trying their best. However, if the UN was to be thrown into a live conflict, like the Syrian Civil War, the Peacekeepers wouldn't fare well without NATO or SCO aid.

[Costa Fiero]

Syria's taking a page from Iraq? I thought they hated Saddam.

Hafez did. Bashar seemed to be a little less pragmatic.

[Costa Fiero]

The rebels are NATO puppets. Do you really think that an Arab movement that has publically said they support Israel, is a grass roots movement? Not to mention the atrocities (confimed by rebels who left the movement) committed by the rebels, then falsely blamed on the Asaad Gov.

Asaad stands for secularism and Order
The fake rebels stand for US imperialism

Which Arab movement? The one in Syria? I doubt it. The vast majority of Arab movements in the Arab Spring have openly been hostile with their views on Israel.