Civil War in Syria, what do you think?

[Exi1and]

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

You aren't helping your side's case, dude.

I do not understand.

[Shofercia]

It is not just about Tartous, while ensuring the safety of strategic facilities is essential. It is also about standing for a long time ally, when he is threatened by seditious elements that demand the election.

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

Sad thing is, Lukashenko would've probably won if he held honest elections. His rural polices rock, so he was pretty much guaranteed to pick up the rural vote. Because of the subsidies, he had the support of the poor. Because of the athletics development program, (for instance the Belorussian hockey team had more people attend their games than some NHL teams on a per game attendance basis,) he had the support of the sports fans. Because of his diplomacy with other nations, he had quite a bit of support as well.

Edit: he was also going to pick up elderly support due to his pension program, and the support of young parents due to his family programs, so yeah, he probably would've won.

[Exi1and]

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

Sad thing is, Lukashenko would've probably won if he held honest elections. His rural polices rock, so he was pretty much guaranteed to pick up the rural vote. Because of the subsidies, he had the support of the poor. Because of the athletics development program, (for instance the Belorussian hockey team had more people attend their games than some NHL teams on a per game attendance basis,) he had the support of the sports fans. Because of his diplomacy with other nations, he had quite a bit of support as well.

Edit: he was also going to pick up elderly support due to his pension program, and the support of young parents due to his family programs, so yeah, he probably would've won.

What do you mean by that, 'if he held honest elections'?

However, another monitoring mission sent to Belarus by the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), said the election was legitimate. “We have no doubts about that,” CIS Executive Secretary Sergey Lebedev said, calling the voting “free and democratic.”

According to CIS observers, the Belarusian poll “met national election laws and universal democratic norms.” They said shortcomings in the election process were not systemic and they cannot call the legitimacy of the results into question. Lebedev also stressed that the riots in Minsk and the detention of opposition activists had nothing to do with the election campaign.

https://rt.com/politics/belarus-election-lukashenko-us/

[The UK in Exile]

And Shoferica has been here long enough to remember the sheer fuckton of crazy that spewed into the Libyan Civil War thread last year.

Thank you! And in that thread, I pointed to potential human rights abuses that would result in intervention, and they did! Hence the frustration, i.e. "oh not this again..."

torture. no rule of law. rule of warlords. ethnic cleansing.

stuff like that. why be ruled by gaddafi when you can be ruled by thousands of gaddafi's.

Ok, how'd you find better links than me?

What search terms did you use, cause I tried all variations of "Libya ethnic cleansing" and "Tawergha ethnic cleansing" and that one didn't come up.

for the last link? after experimenting I think it was: Libyan ethnic cleansing wall street journal.

[Allrule]

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka. It is clear that all of the "leftists" who supported the Zionist invasion of Syria are totally discredited in the eyes of the world. All those of the true Left and the Leading Light Communist Movement must now take a principled stand against imperialism and Zionism and for Syria. Alone the bourgeoisie will crush us, but united the bourgeoisie will be crushed. Bashar al-Assad's government is merely the first base of the revolution across the Third World. The situation in Syria will serve as an inspiration for all the poor and oppressed in the Third World, that even in the face of imperialist bombs and threats, the workers' movement cannot be suppressed. One by one, the imperial puppets in the Third World will be toppled. Then, the Third World will unite under the red flag, and will move to forcefully impose socialism upon the First World. This will mark the final demise of imperialism, capitalism, and Zionism.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka. It is clear that all of the "leftists" who supported the Zionist invasion of Syria are totally discredited in the eyes of the world. All those of the true Left and the Leading Light Communist Movement must now take a principled stand against imperialism and Zionism and for Syria. Alone the bourgeoisie will crush us, but united the bourgeoisie will be crushed. Bashar al-Assad's government is merely the first base of the revolution across the Third World. The situation in Syria will serve as an inspiration for all the poor and oppressed in the Third World, that even in the face of imperialist bombs and threats, the workers' movement cannot be suppressed. One by one, the imperial puppets in the Third World will be toppled. Then, the Third World will unite under the red flag, and will move to forcefully impose socialism upon the First World. This will mark the final demise of imperialism, capitalism, and Zionism.

You sir are full of win. I hereby declare you King of NationStates General and proclaim your awesomeness throughout your realm.

[The UK in Exile]

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka. It is clear that all of the "leftists" who supported the Zionist invasion of Syria are totally discredited in the eyes of the world. All those of the true Left and the Leading Light Communist Movement must now take a principled stand against imperialism and Zionism and for Syria. Alone the bourgeoisie will crush us, but united the bourgeoisie will be crushed. Bashar al-Assad's government is merely the first base of the revolution across the Third World. The situation in Syria will serve as an inspiration for all the poor and oppressed in the Third World, that even in the face of imperialist bombs and threats, the workers' movement cannot be suppressed. One by one, the imperial puppets in the Third World will be toppled. Then, the Third World will unite under the red flag, and will move to forcefully impose socialism upon the First World. This will mark the final demise of imperialism, capitalism, and Zionism.

You sir are full of win. I hereby declare you King of NationStates General and proclaim your awesomeness throughout your realm.

It would be more impressive if he weren't quite such a one trick bronie.

[Wamitoria]

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

That's actually a significant development. Maybe the Sunnis see the whole "Israeli Zionist BLURBLAHBLURB" shit as tricks by the Assad regime?

[Costa Fiero]

What's wrong with elections Mr. Lukashenko?

Sad thing is, Lukashenko would've probably won if he held honest elections. His rural polices rock, so he was pretty much guaranteed to pick up the rural vote. Because of the subsidies, he had the support of the poor. Because of the athletics development program, (for instance the Belorussian hockey team had more people attend their games than some NHL teams on a per game attendance basis,) he had the support of the sports fans. Because of his diplomacy with other nations, he had quite a bit of support as well.

Edit: he was also going to pick up elderly support due to his pension program, and the support of young parents due to his family programs, so yeah, he probably would've won.

So why isn't Belarus a functioning democracy? Why is he so afraid of opposition to his rule?

[Shofercia]

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka. It is clear that all of the "leftists" who supported the Zionist invasion of Syria are totally discredited in the eyes of the world. All those of the true Left and the Leading Light Communist Movement must now take a principled stand against imperialism and Zionism and for Syria. Alone the bourgeoisie will crush us, but united the bourgeoisie will be crushed. Bashar al-Assad's government is merely the first base of the revolution across the Third World. The situation in Syria will serve as an inspiration for all the poor and oppressed in the Third World, that even in the face of imperialist bombs and threats, the workers' movement cannot be suppressed. One by one, the imperial puppets in the Third World will be toppled. Then, the Third World will unite under the red flag, and will move to forcefully impose socialism upon the First World. This will mark the final demise of imperialism, capitalism, and Zionism.

So basically you couldn't counter any of the points made by either UK, me, or most other posters, so you find a random YouTube clip, and create a "parody" post instead, using the terms "Zionism," "Imperialism," and a bunch of other overused terms, ooook. I hereby demand that you use the term "Zionism" in a "sarcastic" manner, every other post. I might as well demand it, since it will happen anyway

[Costa Fiero]

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

"Strongmen" aren't exactly that beneficial for a democracy either. They are just as likely to make mistakes in policies and actions as week leaders are.

Take France for example. Stormin Sarkozy (sorry Stormin Norman Schwartzkopf for pinching your well earned title) goes into Libya with all guns blazing. SuThe revolution succeded in bringing a tyrant to an end but Sarkozy is seen as being a complete spanner in blowing shit up first and ask questions later (or in his case, pretend all is well and carry on camping). In steps Francois Hollande, who seems to be prancing around the issues in Syria and not wanting to do anything about it. As a result, a few thousand die in Libya (and we're only talking about 5-6,000 if that) and at least 12-13,000 dead in Syria.

[Shofercia]

Sad thing is, Lukashenko would've probably won if he held honest elections. His rural polices rock, so he was pretty much guaranteed to pick up the rural vote. Because of the subsidies, he had the support of the poor. Because of the athletics development program, (for instance the Belorussian hockey team had more people attend their games than some NHL teams on a per game attendance basis,) he had the support of the sports fans. Because of his diplomacy with other nations, he had quite a bit of support as well.

Edit: he was also going to pick up elderly support due to his pension program, and the support of young parents due to his family programs, so yeah, he probably would've won.

So why isn't Belarus a functioning democracy? Why is he so afraid of opposition to his rule?

Probably because of what happened in Ukraine; when Yanukovich rigs the vote he is ubah evil; when Yushenko does it - that's a democratic election.

[The Republic of Lanos]

If they are not carefully controlled, they are often used to replace the strong leadership with weak leaders.

"Strongmen" aren't exactly that beneficial for a democracy either. They are just as likely to make mistakes in policies and actions as week leaders are.

Take France for example. Stormin Sarkozy (sorry Stormin Norman Schwartzkopf for pinching your well earned title) goes into Libya with all guns blazing. SuThe revolution succeded in bringing a tyrant to an end but Sarkozy is seen as being a complete spanner in blowing shit up first and ask questions later (or in his case, pretend all is well and carry on camping). In steps Francois Hollande, who seems to be prancing around the issues in Syria and not wanting to do anything about it. As a result, a few thousand die in Libya (and we're only talking about 5-6,000 if that) and at least 12-13,000 dead in Syria.

And when it comes to hard decisions for Hollande...

"Mr. President, we need you to decide!" "Looks like it's 'Fuck this shit!' o-clock!"

[Costa Fiero]

Probably because of what happened in Ukraine; when Yanukovich rigs the vote he is ubah evil; when Yushenko does it - that's a democratic election.

I wouldn't think that he'd need to rig the vote in order to win elections. I just really can't see any logical excuse. If Russia can do it and have a single party basically governing the country for a good 15 years or so, why can't Lukashenko do it?

[Wamitoria]

[The UK in Exile]

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that little kid is wearing a real madrid shirt.....

[Costa Fiero]

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that little kid is wearing a real madrid shirt.....

Point? Football may be fairly popular in Syria.

[Wamitoria]

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that little kid is wearing a real madrid shirt.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... s-in-assad

[The UK in Exile]

that little kid is wearing a real madrid shirt.....

Point? Football may be fairly popular in Syria.

mabye assad's a Barca fan?

[Tmutarakhan]

And Shoferica has been here long enough to remember the sheer fuckton of crazy that spewed into the Libyan Civil War thread last year.

Thank you! And in that thread, I pointed to potential human rights abuses that would result in intervention, and they did! Hence the frustration, i.e. "oh not this again..."

torture. no rule of law. rule of warlords. ethnic cleansing.

stuff like that. why be ruled by gaddafi when you can be ruled by thousands of gaddafi's.

Ok, how'd you find better links than me?

What search terms did you use, cause I tried all variations of "Libya ethnic cleansing" and "Tawergha ethnic cleansing" and that one didn't come up.

OK, at least I know what you were referring to, now. Indeed it is distressing that such a serious story has gotten very little coverage.[quote="Allrule";p="10155338"]Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka.[/quote
I thought they were terrorists controlled by al-Qaeda? So hard to keep up, these days...

[Allrule]

Thank you! And in that thread, I pointed to potential human rights abuses that would result in intervention, and they did! Hence the frustration, i.e. "oh not this again..."




Ok, how'd you find better links than me?

What search terms did you use, cause I tried all variations of "Libya ethnic cleansing" and "Tawergha ethnic cleansing" and that one didn't come up.

OK, at least I know what you were referring to, now. Indeed it is distressing that such a serious story has gotten very little coverage.

Syrian "rebels" endorse Zionism

This is definitive proof that the so-called "rebels" of the "Free" Syrian Army are little more than stooges for the Zionist regime supported by imperialist Amerikkka.

I thought they were terrorists controlled by al-Qaeda? So hard to keep up, these days...

Do not forget that Al-Qaeda was was created by the CIA. It is a tool of the Zionists and the imperialist Amerikkkans to justify neo-colonialism in the Middle East and other places in the Third World.

[Wamitoria]

Do not forget that Al-Qaeda was was created by the CIA. It is a tool of the Zionists and the imperialist Amerikkkans to justify neo-colonialism in the Middle East and other places in the Third World.

Ok, it's getting old.

[Allrule]

Do not forget that Al-Qaeda was was created by the CIA. It is a tool of the Zionists and the imperialist Amerikkkans to justify neo-colonialism in the Middle East and other places in the Third World.

Ok, it's getting old.

Right. I'll stop now.

[Allrule]

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

[Costa Fiero]

Nawaf Fares says the regime is ready to use chemical weapons, and may have already used them in Homs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18864629

Raise your hand if you're not surprised. *raises hand*

Middle Eastern state gasses people for no apparent reason. Ain't that a surprise.