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Postby Wamitoria » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:14 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
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Maybe Bluth is the reincarnation of Thomas Jefferson.

No, Bluth's atheist. Jefferson believed in some sort of Supreme Being.

Jefferson was basically a Unitarian.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:15 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, Bluth's atheist. Jefferson believed in some sort of Supreme Being.

Jefferson was basically a Unitarian.


He was some strange hybrid of Deism/Unitarianism/Christianity.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:32 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, Bluth's atheist. Jefferson believed in some sort of Supreme Being.

Jefferson was basically a Unitarian.

Jefferson was, at most, a Christian Deist. At least, simply a Deist.
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Postby Tekania » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:24 pm

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I would need precise examples from you on this. That way I can know precisely how you're wrong and provide the appropriate contextual correction upon you.

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4 bills there.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/30/ten ... vity-bill/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/ ... 0D20120512
2 sources on that law.
Theres the aforementioned Texas GOP push against critical thinking skills.
And of course the one we are currently discussing.
There were more I was thinking of, but while googling up sources I found they thankfully died in their respective legislatures.


So, your "evidence" (in order, by posts) is of the judiciary sleeping at the wheel is:
1. A bill which eventually just died in committee in the Kansas senate without being passed.
2. A law which has just recently gone into full effect, but whose impact won't be felt till this next school year to even generate a legal challenge
3. A bill which isn't even out of senate committee yet
4. A case where a bill was just not passed by the legislature
5-7, more laws which have just gone into effect and have yet to actual create any legal challenges to even create interested parties.

Though, This one, given that it's not limiting or discriminating is likely not to create a challenge.

Or in short, I'm still waiting for evidence.... THAT wasn't evidence.
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Postby The United Ummah » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:55 pm

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R Ev0lution wrote:Holding a woman against her will (see: slavery) and then having a child with her? I think rape is pretty much a set-in-stone part of that equation.


Holding a woman against her free will and having a child? Today they call that a Traditional Family.


You lie.

I don't see what all this about slavery is. Many great men had slaves. Caesar, Alexander, Muhammad (Sallallaahu 'Alayhe wa Sallam). Immanuel Kant, Charles Darwin, and Karl Marx all saw different races as inferior. Up until recently, that was the correct knowledge.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:57 pm

MaziChino wrote:But keep in mind that LA is ranked 49th in education.....

http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-on-american-education/

What does that have to do with anything?

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:07 pm

The United Ummah wrote:
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Holding a woman against her free will and having a child? Today they call that a Traditional Family.


You lie.

I don't see what all this about slavery is. Many great men had slaves. Caesar, Alexander, Muhammad (Sallallaahu 'Alayhe wa Sallam). Immanuel Kant, Charles Darwin, and Karl Marx all saw different races as inferior. Up until recently, that was the correct knowledge.

So was not washing your hands before surgery.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Leepaidamba wrote:Does that mean Jesus was a Hindu?


Some say Jesus took notes from Buddhism, which took notes from Hinduism. Thus, Jesus was a Hindu. *nods*

This works.
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Postby The United Ummah » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:12 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
The United Ummah wrote:
You lie.

I don't see what all this about slavery is. Many great men had slaves. Caesar, Alexander, Muhammad (Sallallaahu 'Alayhe wa Sallam). Immanuel Kant, Charles Darwin, and Karl Marx all saw different races as inferior. Up until recently, that was the correct knowledge.

So was not washing your hands before surgery.


Exactly. We don't rage at Florence Nightingale or Hippocrates for not being the most sanitary. Why hate on great men? I like the Founding Fathers, though not their genocidal Zionist successors.

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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:15 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
The United Ummah wrote:
You lie.

I don't see what all this about slavery is. Many great men had slaves. Caesar, Alexander, Muhammad (Sallallaahu 'Alayhe wa Sallam). Immanuel Kant, Charles Darwin, and Karl Marx all saw different races as inferior. Up until recently, that was the correct knowledge.

So was not washing your hands before surgery.


Point being?

The United Ummah wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:So was not washing your hands before surgery.


Exactly. We don't rage at Florence Nightingale or Hippocrates for not being the most sanitary. Why hate on great men? I like the Founding Fathers, though not their genocidal Zionist successors.


Doesn't change the fact slavery was wrong. Though, I suppose the argument could be made they didn't KNOW it was wrong.

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Postby Revolutopia » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:36 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
The United Ummah wrote:
Exactly. We don't rage at Florence Nightingale or Hippocrates for not being the most sanitary. Why hate on great men? I like the Founding Fathers, though not their genocidal Zionist successors.


Doesn't change the fact slavery was wrong. Though, I suppose the argument could be made they didn't KNOW it was wrong.


Abolitionist Literature had already been on the rise during the time of the Founding Fathers, thus that should not be an excuse.
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Postby Xsyne » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:50 pm

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Wikkiwallana wrote:Huh, missed that sentence. I was looking at the one in blue.


The thing is, Christian is in quotes, which should give you a hint that Christian is not being used in the sense that you and I are used to. I explained in my last post what Jefferson means when he refers to himself as a Christian based on past pieces of evidence outlined a while ago in the "debate" with Mongol.

No, it's in quotes because it's a quote.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Republicans (politicians) being insensitive about other religions? That's Unpossible.
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Postby The Black Plains » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:57 pm

Oh please, any official that is elected on a very local basis will be extreme. Let's do The Black Plains' wrap-up of the day. Welcome, everybody, to NationStates. Let's go to comment number one!

"Republicans are stupid! I'm not surprised that this stupid person is a Republican!"

"I think that you're smart for thinking that Republicans are stupid. Because they are!"

"I think that you're smart, too!"

"We're so smart."

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"Well... no."

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:57 pm

Xsyne wrote:
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The thing is, Christian is in quotes, which should give you a hint that Christian is not being used in the sense that you and I are used to. I explained in my last post what Jefferson means when he refers to himself as a Christian based on past pieces of evidence outlined a while ago in the "debate" with Mongol.

No, it's in quotes because it's a quote.


No, it wasn't.
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Postby Saluterre » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:58 pm

I'm surprised that she thought the law pertained to schools that uphold-ed the faith of the founders. I haven't heard of many secular deist schools.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:05 pm

The Black Plains wrote:Oh please, any official that is elected on a very local basis will be extreme. Let's do The Black Plains' wrap-up of the day. Welcome, everybody, to NationStates. Let's go to comment number one!

"Republicans are stupid! I'm not surprised that this stupid person is a Republican!"

"I think that you're smart for thinking that Republicans are stupid. Because they are!"

"I think that you're smart, too!"

"We're so smart."

"Do you have a job?"

"Well... no."

Oh, NationStates.


This, this, seven times this.

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Postby Xsyne » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:07 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Xsyne wrote:No, it's in quotes because it's a quote.


No, it wasn't.

"To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence..."

Note the presence of the word "Christian". It's a goddamned quote.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:09 pm

The Mongol Ilkhanate wrote:
The Black Plains wrote:Oh please, any official that is elected on a very local basis will be extreme. Let's do The Black Plains' wrap-up of the day. Welcome, everybody, to NationStates. Let's go to comment number one!

"Republicans are stupid! I'm not surprised that this stupid person is a Republican!"

"I think that you're smart for thinking that Republicans are stupid. Because they are!"

"I think that you're smart, too!"

"We're so smart."

"Do you have a job?"

"Well... no."

Oh, NationStates.


This, this, seven times this.

Seven? What a stupid Republican number. Obviously. :p
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Postby Avenio » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:10 pm

The Black Plains wrote:Oh please, any official that is elected on a very local basis will be extreme.


So? How does that disqualify us from criticizing her?

The Black Plains wrote:"Do you have a job?"

"Well... no."

Oh, NationStates.


What does this have to do with anything?

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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:11 pm

Avenio wrote:
The Black Plains wrote:Oh please, any official that is elected on a very local basis will be extreme.


So? How does that disqualify us from criticizing her?

The Black Plains wrote:"Do you have a job?"

"Well... no."

Oh, NationStates.


What does this have to do with anything?

Get a job, dirty hippie. If you aren't conservative, you don't have a job and are therefore not entitled to an opinion.
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Postby Inter de Milano » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:11 pm

Saluterre wrote:I'm surprised that she thought the law pertained to schools that uphold-ed the faith of the founders. I haven't heard of many secular deist schools.


In reality, only a select few were "secular deists". Of the 55 delegates at the Convention, 49 were a form of Protestant and 2 were Catholic. Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England/Episcopalian, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists. Granted, there were a few "secular deists": Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Tom Paine. So in reality, if we were to have schools with a religious affiliation the same as the founders, they'd be mostly Anglican/Episcopalian Protestant schools.
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Postby Saluterre » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:13 pm

Xsyne wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
No, it wasn't.

"To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence..."

Note the presence of the word "Christian". It's a goddamned quote.


Interesting that you omitted the last part of that quote:

...and believing that he never claimed any other.


In other words, he believed Jesus was as good as any man could be, but he was not a god. I.e. Christian deism. He believed wholeheartedly in Christ's morals, but he never said he believed he was the son of god. He was a christian, in that he was a follower of Christ, not of Christianity.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:18 pm

MaziChino wrote:But keep in mind that LA is ranked 49th in education.....

http://www.alec.org/publications/report-card-on-american-education/


That's not what the link says. Read it, don't just look at the list.
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Postby Xsyne » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:20 pm

Saluterre wrote:
Xsyne wrote:
Note the presence of the word "Christian". It's a goddamned quote.


Interesting that you omitted the last part of that quote:

...and believing that he never claimed any other.


In other words, he believed Jesus was as good as any man could be, but he was not a god. I.e. Christian deism. He believed wholeheartedly in Christ's morals, but he never said he believed he was the son of god. He was a christian, in that he was a follower of Christ, not of Christianity.

I merely quoted what Mavorpen was quoting. I'm also not claiming that Jefferson was a Christian, merely that Mavorpen's view on why the quotation marks were there was wrong.
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