GOP rep discovers terrifying fact: That non-Christians exist

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

If you refuse, it's just status quo. You go where your works and your desire to do good put you, as they were already were going to.

...so let me get this straight...so you believe i will go where i believe my good deeds will put me? so...you believe people who follow Asatru will go to Asgaard...therefore you believe in Asgaard?

God decides where you end up, of course.

[Maurepas]

Irrelevant. Are you or are you not performing a ritual intended to send a holocaust victim to the LDS heaven? The act of doing so, regardless of the "choice" in the "afterlife" is still a disgusting act.

Intended to give them the choice of whether they want to or not.

And it is disgusting to think you need to give them the "choice" of your belief after they've died for theirs.

It is arrogant in the extreme to assume that yours is the correct one and people need to be given the "choice" to be saved according to its principles.

[Veladio]

...so let me get this straight...so you believe i will go where i believe my good deeds will put me? so...you believe people who follow Asatru will go to Asgaard...therefore you believe in Asgaard?

God decides where you end up, of course.

So...its not even in your hands in the first place?

[Maurepas]

Who is the more arrogant, the person who leaves a man to his own beliefs, even in death, or the one who believes he needs to give them a chance to "be saved" according to their own?

With the afterlife considered, I'd say the guy who thinks that being Jewish disqualifies him from the opportunity to make a choice more than the guy who asks what the Jewish guy wants.

The fact that you think the Jewish guy has to "qualify" for anything is arrogant in and of itself.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Intended to give them the choice of whether they want to or not.

And it is disgusting to think you need to give them the "choice" of your belief after they've died for theirs.

It is arrogant in the extreme to assume that yours is the correct one and people need to be given the "choice" to be saved according to its principles.

Hate to be a hater, but don't Jews believe their religion is the only correct one as well? Virtually all religions believe that.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

God decides where you end up, of course.

So...its not even in your hands in the first place?

Baptism allows you to go to heaven. You have to be baptized to go to Heaven, and accept Christ.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

With the afterlife considered, I'd say the guy who thinks that being Jewish disqualifies him from the opportunity to make a choice more than the guy who asks what the Jewish guy wants.

The fact that you think the Jewish guy has to "qualify" for anything is arrogant in and of itself.

*spits letters out*

Blegh! Those words in my mouth taste disgusting!

[Maurepas]

And it is disgusting to think you need to give them the "choice" of your belief after they've died for theirs.

It is arrogant in the extreme to assume that yours is the correct one and people need to be given the "choice" to be saved according to its principles.

Hate to be a hater, but don't Jews believe their religion is the only correct one as well? Virtually all religions believe that.

I didn't say the Jewish guy couldn't be arrogant as well, and it doesn't do anything to weaken my point.

[Trotskylvania]

Which is never, because in all likelihood, god doesn't exist, and your little plays at currying divine favor are just some bad pageantry.

But here in the real world, millions of have died because of the same kind of presumptive arrogance that acts like this show.

I get that you read the word "presumptive" in your word-of-the-day calendar today, and that's totally awesome, but you should probably use that word right. Let me guess, arrogance was Tuesday's?

Posters who hide their insults in passive-aggression and snarky comments can shampoo my crotch.

[Veladio]

So...its not even in your hands in the first place?

Baptism allows you to go to heaven. You have to be baptized to go to Heaven, and accept Christ.

So you are giving me the chance to accept a god that i don't believe in...by sending me a postcard saying i have a chance to accept this baptism...you are affecting my will by trying to convert me after death!

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Hate to be a hater, but don't Jews believe their religion is the only correct one as well? Virtually all religions believe that.

I didn't say the Jewish guy couldn't be arrogant as well, and it doesn't do anything to weaken my point.

So, aren't you arrogant for thinking every religion on the planet is beneath you?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Baptism allows you to go to heaven. You have to be baptized to go to Heaven, and accept Christ.

So you are giving me the chance to accept a god that i don't believe in...by sending me a postcard saying i have a chance to accept this baptism...you are affecting my will by trying to convert me after death!

If asking you a question affects your will and your conviction to your god, then I suppose...

I wonder if that means I'll get reported for asking if you like chocolate ice cream...

[Transhuman Proteus]

...if its only for you then how is it getting to the dead person? For it to get to the dead person, you have to pray FOR the dead person do you not? Or else how does he know the ritual was for him? or can he just take any old soul's baptism? Is there a reception line at the pearly gates where St. Peter asks you to take a number?

It is addressed to the guy put in the water. Some angel in heaven sees that it is done, and then asks the person some variation of "Was this your baptism?" if the answer is no, the baptism is void and never was his to start with.

Curses, I thought being a dead would mean I'd never have to deal with telemarketers again.

I'm curious though - I'm alive. So I have consciously decided I have no interest in any of this. Theoretically if I so desired is there some "No Baptism" listing one can go on to a avoid a posthumous baptism in the event my name some ended up being selected? Or would it happen after death regardless of my pre-death wishes (since I imagine with these types of baptisms not to much pondering is done on the person or their life before death)?

[Isointania]

Read my sig as a reply to this.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

It is addressed to the guy put in the water. Some angel in heaven sees that it is done, and then asks the person some variation of "Was this your baptism?" if the answer is no, the baptism is void and never was his to start with.

Curses, I thought being dead would men never having to deal with telemarketers again.

I'm curious though - I'm alive. So I have consciously decided I have no interest in any of this. Theoretically if I so desired is there some "No Baptism" listing one can go on to a avoid a posthumous baptism in the event my name some ended up being selected? Or would it happen after death regardless or my pre-death wishes (since I imagine with these types of baptisms not to much pondering is done on the person or their life before death)?

Go talk to your local Mormon leader. I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing yes, you can.

[Maurepas]

I didn't say the Jewish guy couldn't be arrogant as well, and it doesn't do anything to weaken my point.

So, aren't you arrogant for thinking every religion on the planet is beneath you?

More strawmen. I never once stated that every religion on the planet is beneath me. And I don't believe such.

I think they're all wrong, yeah, but that isn't to say that I have any ideas on the subjects involved that are necessarily correct either.

I don't have my problem with their beliefs, per se, I have my problem with Evangelizing.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

So, aren't you arrogant for thinking every religion on the planet is beneath you?

More strawmen. I never once stated that every religion on the planet is beneath me. And I don't believe such.

I think they're all wrong, yeah, but that isn't to say that I have any ideas on the subjects involved that are necessarily correct either.

So me thinking they're all (sans my own) not completely correct (fundamental mormon doctrine is that every religion has some truth in it, and some was lost), is worse than you thinking they're all unequivocably wrong...how?

[Mavorpen]

So me thinking they're all (sans my own) not completely correct (fundamental mormon doctrine is that every religion has some truth in it, and some was lost), is worse than you thinking they're all unequivocably wrong...how?

His is based on facts, yours isn't.

[Veladio]

So you are giving me the chance to accept a god that i don't believe in...by sending me a postcard saying i have a chance to accept this baptism...you are affecting my will by trying to convert me after death!

If asking you a question affects your will and your conviction to your god, then I suppose...

I wonder if that means I'll get reported for asking if you like chocolate ice cream...

Its completley different! you are giving me a chance to accept god or get punished. But when i say hell you jump on your high horse and say "no only bad people go to hell" but then i say asgaard and you say "god decides and you have to accept christ to get into heaven"...so the baptism does absolutely nothing! its cyclical and it FORCES me to choose thereby affecting my will

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

So me thinking they're all (sans my own) not completely correct (fundamental mormon doctrine is that every religion has some truth in it, and some was lost), is worse than you thinking they're all unequivocably wrong...how?

His is based on facts, yours isn't.

To say something is WRONG, you have to have proof. So, where is it? Notice, saying something is WRONG is different than saying you don't know.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

If asking you a question affects your will and your conviction to your god, then I suppose...

I wonder if that means I'll get reported for asking if you like chocolate ice cream...

Its completley different! you are giving me a chance to accept god or get punished. But when i say hell you jump on your high horse and say "no only bad people go to hell" but then i say asgaard and you say "god decides and you have to accept christ to get into heaven"...so the baptism does absolutely nothing! its cyclical and it FORCES me to choose thereby affecting my will

There's no punishment. If the baptism didn't happen, you would still go to the same place. With baptism, you have the option to go to Heaven if you accepted Christ and all those other things.

[Mavorpen]

To say something is WRONG, you have to have proof. So, where is it? Notice, saying something is WRONG is different than saying you don't know.

You don't get it, do you? Religions make certain claims, thus we can say they are wrong by showing their claims are incorrect/not based on facts/not based on reasoning. No matter what, it's up to you to prove your claim. Meanwhile, we're sitting and eating popcorn waiting for some real evidence.

[Goldwateria (Ancient)]

So me thinking they're all (sans my own) not completely correct (fundamental mormon doctrine is that every religion has some truth in it, and some was lost), is worse than you thinking they're all unequivocably wrong...how?

His is based on facts, yours isn't.

To be fair, 'His' is based on an absence of facts, not any actual facts themselves (I presume he is an atheist for this).

[Maurepas]

More strawmen. I never once stated that every religion on the planet is beneath me. And I don't believe such.

I think they're all wrong, yeah, but that isn't to say that I have any ideas on the subjects involved that are necessarily correct either.

So me thinking they're all (sans my own) not completely correct (fundamental mormon doctrine is that every religion has some truth in it, and some was lost), is worse than you thinking they're all unequivocably wrong...how?

You also think you're right in addition to, that's how. Further, I don't go around un-baptizing or what-have-you the dead(or "giving them the choice to be un-baptized", excuse me).

I don't have a problem with the belief, as I said, I have a problem with Evangelism.

[Veladio]

Its completley different! you are giving me a chance to accept god or get punished. But when i say hell you jump on your high horse and say "no only bad people go to hell" but then i say asgaard and you say "god decides and you have to accept christ to get into heaven"...so the baptism does absolutely nothing! its cyclical and it FORCES me to choose thereby affecting my will

There's no punishment. If the baptism didn't happen, you would still go to the same place. With baptism, you have the option to go to Heaven if you accepted Christ and all those other things.

Then where do I go? When I offered Asgaard as an example you said god chooses anyway...so what was the point of consecrating my dead body?