GOP rep discovers terrifying fact: That non-Christians exist

[Veladio]

Prayer, Ritual, whatever you want to call it. Its being addressed to another individual besides yourself, correct? My point is that that can have an adverse affect on my will.

Uhm, no?

It's being addressed to the person who is being put in the water, Brother So and So, who is Mormon.

...if its only for you then how is it getting to the dead person? For it to get to the dead person, you have to pray FOR the dead person do you not? Or else how does he know the ritual was for him? or can he just take any old soul's baptism? Is there a reception line at the pearly gates where St. Peter asks you to take a number?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Do I have to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask if you want to see a movie?

All the baptism thing really is is a question.

You have to ask before you put them in the theater and demand to know whether they want to see a movie, yeah.

It's a little late to be asking me once you've already put me there.

Continue the analogy. Even if I did put you in the theater (incorrect analogy), by saying "No", you magically teleport out of the theater and find yourself doing whater it is you were doing before you were teleported in with absolutely no loss of time except the amount of time in the question.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Uhm, no?

It's being addressed to the person who is being put in the water, Brother So and So, who is Mormon.

...if its only for you then how is it getting to the dead person? For it to get to the dead person, you have to pray FOR the dead person do you not? Or else how does he know the ritual was for him? or can he just take any old soul's baptism? Is there a reception line at the pearly gates where St. Peter asks you to take a number?

It is addressed to the guy put in the water. Some angel in heaven sees that it is done, and then asks the person some variation of "Was this your baptism?" if the answer is no, the baptism is void and never was his to start with.

[Maurepas]

You have to ask before you put them in the theater and demand to know whether they want to see a movie, yeah.

It's a little late to be asking me once you've already put me there.

Continue the analogy. Even if I did put you in the theater (incorrect analogy), by saying "No", you magically teleport out of the theater and find yourself doing whater it is you were doing before you were teleported in with absolutely no loss of time except the amount of time in the question.

You still stuck me in a theater against my will. If someone steals my say, PS2, but returns it before I intended to use it again, doesn't mean I wasn't stolen from.

But it's irrelevant, I don't give a damn what you think happens in the afterlife. I don't even think there is one. What I take issue with is what the LDS does in the real world. Namely Baptize atop people's graves without permission.

[Veladio]

...if its only for you then how is it getting to the dead person? For it to get to the dead person, you have to pray FOR the dead person do you not? Or else how does he know the ritual was for him? or can he just take any old soul's baptism? Is there a reception line at the pearly gates where St. Peter asks you to take a number?

It is addressed to the guy put in the water. Some angel in heaven sees that it is done, and then asks the person some variation of "Was this your baptism?" if the answer is no, the baptism is void and never was his to start with.

Perfect...that's all you had to say. So it is directed at a dead persons soul, that's what I asked. In which case it. can. affect. my. will.

[Tmutarakhan]

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?"

It is highly offensive, in fact. You don't get to decide for other people what they do or do not find offensive. Now, I am certainly of the opinion that "no-one has a right not to be offended", and would oppose any law forbidding the Mormon practice; but stop pretending that you are not giving offense, when you have told repeatedly that indeed you are.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Continue the analogy. Even if I did put you in the theater (incorrect analogy), by saying "No", you magically teleport out of the theater and find yourself doing whater it is you were doing before you were teleported in with absolutely no loss of time except the amount of time in the question.

You still stuck me in a theater against my will. If someone steals my say, PS2, but returns it before I intended to use it again, doesn't mean I wasn't stolen from.

But it's irrelevant, I don't give a damn what you think happens in the afterlife. I don't even think there is one. What I take issue with is what the LDS does in the real world. Namely Baptize atop people's graves without permission.

We don't do it on your grave. If you're going to be a bigot, at least be a bigot using the correct information.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?"

It is highly offensive, in fact. You don't get to decide for other people what they do or do not find offensive. Now, I am certainly of the opinion that "no-one has a right not to be offended", and would oppose any law forbidding the Mormon practice; but stop pretending that you are not giving offense, when you have told repeatedly that indeed you are.

Ok, let me rephrase.

Taking offense is silly, as the baptism wasn't your baptism unless you say it is.

[Maurepas]

You still stuck me in a theater against my will. If someone steals my say, PS2, but returns it before I intended to use it again, doesn't mean I wasn't stolen from.

But it's irrelevant, I don't give a damn what you think happens in the afterlife. I don't even think there is one. What I take issue with is what the LDS does in the real world. Namely Baptize atop people's graves without permission.

We don't do it on your grave. If you're going to be a bigot, at least be a bigot using the correct information.

If believing that baptizing a holocaust victim in your faith, someone who died for their own faith, is wrong and that makes me bigoted, then I don't want to be right.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

We don't do it on your grave. If you're going to be a bigot, at least be a bigot using the correct information.

If believing that baptizing a holocaust victim in your faith, someone who died for their own faith, is wrong and bigoted, then I don't want to be right.

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

'The Founders' religion?' He means Deism?

[Maurepas]

If believing that baptizing a holocaust victim in your faith, someone who died for their own faith, is wrong and bigoted, then I don't want to be right.

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

You believe that to be the case in the supposed afterlife. But your beliefs with regards to the supposed afterlife have no bearing in real life.

I wish I could say it was a good try yourself.

[Trotskylvania]

It is highly offensive, in fact. You don't get to decide for other people what they do or do not find offensive. Now, I am certainly of the opinion that "no-one has a right not to be offended", and would oppose any law forbidding the Mormon practice; but stop pretending that you are not giving offense, when you have told repeatedly that indeed you are.

Ok, let me rephrase.

Taking offense is silly, as the baptism wasn't your baptism unless you say it is.

It is the presumption that is offensive.

The fact that your faith presumes to have dominion over the mortal souls of everyone should be offensive enough. But to be so disgraceful as to act on that, and to posthumously baptize those to "save" them is an act of supreme arrogance.

[Veladio]

If believing that baptizing a holocaust victim in your faith, someone who died for their own faith, is wrong and bigoted, then I don't want to be right.

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

Ok...what happens if I refuse? Does Satan begin cooking me in a pot for eternity?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

You believe that to be the case in the supposed afterlife. But your beliefs with regards to the supposed afterlife have no bearing in real life.

I wish I could say it was a good try yourself.

I've provided you with the text of the baptism. Show me where it says "I baptize you, (insert name)"

I'll wait. On the contrary, it says "Brother so and so (mormon), I baptize you"!

[Trotskylvania]

If believing that baptizing a holocaust victim in your faith, someone who died for their own faith, is wrong and bigoted, then I don't want to be right.

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

Which is never, because in all likelihood, god doesn't exist, and your little plays at currying divine favor are just some bad pageantry.

But here in the real world, millions of have died because of the same kind of presumptive arrogance that acts like this show.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

Ok...what happens if I refuse? Does Satan begin cooking me in a pot for eternity?

No. Non-Mormons don't go to hell. Only certain people can go to hell. Those who recieve so much truth, and then commit a great sin. (Like, for instance, walking and talking with God, and then killing your brother, CAIN)

[Maurepas]

You believe that to be the case in the supposed afterlife. But your beliefs with regards to the supposed afterlife have no bearing in real life.

I wish I could say it was a good try yourself.

I've provided you with the text of the baptism. Show me where it says "I baptize you, (insert name)"

I'll wait. On the contrary, it says "Brother so and so (mormon), I baptize you"!

Irrelevant. Are you or are you not performing a ritual intended to send a holocaust victim to the LDS heaven? The act of doing so, regardless of the "choice" in the "afterlife" is still a disgusting act.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

He wasn't baptized until he says he was baptized. Good try though.

Which is never, because in all likelihood, god doesn't exist, and your little plays at currying divine favor are just some bad pageantry.

But here in the real world, millions of have died because of the same kind of presumptive arrogance that acts like this show.

I get that you read the word "presumptive" in your word-of-the-day calendar today, and that's totally awesome, but you should probably use that word right. Let me guess, arrogance was Tuesday's?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I've provided you with the text of the baptism. Show me where it says "I baptize you, (insert name)"

I'll wait. On the contrary, it says "Brother so and so (mormon), I baptize you"!

Irrelevant. Are you or are you not performing a ritual intended to send a holocaust victim to the LDS heaven? The act of doing so, regardless of the "choice" in the "afterlife" is still a disgusting act.

Intended to give them the choice of whether they want to or not.

[Veladio]

Ok...what happens if I refuse? Does Satan begin cooking me in a pot for eternity?

No. Non-Mormons don't go to hell. Only certain people can go to hell. Those who recieve so much truth, and then commit a great sin. (Like, for instance, walking and talking with God, and then killing your brother, CAIN)

So then...what happens when...not if...i refuse? Purgatory? My point is, if there is a consequence, then it is being directed towards people who could receive said consequence, therefore violating my will.

[Maurepas]

Which is never, because in all likelihood, god doesn't exist, and your little plays at currying divine favor are just some bad pageantry.

But here in the real world, millions of have died because of the same kind of presumptive arrogance that acts like this show.

I get that you read the word "presumptive" in your word-of-the-day calendar today, and that's totally awesome, but you should probably use that word right. Let me guess, arrogance was Tuesday's?

Who is the more arrogant, the person who leaves a man to his own beliefs, even in death, or the one who believes he needs to give them a chance to "be saved" according to their own?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

No. Non-Mormons don't go to hell. Only certain people can go to hell. Those who recieve so much truth, and then commit a great sin. (Like, for instance, walking and talking with God, and then killing your brother, CAIN)

So then...what happens when...not if...i refuse? Purgatory? My point is, if there is a consequence, then it is being directed towards people who could receive said consequence, therefore violating my will.

If you refuse, it's just status quo. You go where your works and your desire to do good put you, as they were already were going to.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I get that you read the word "presumptive" in your word-of-the-day calendar today, and that's totally awesome, but you should probably use that word right. Let me guess, arrogance was Tuesday's?

Who is the more arrogant, the person who leaves a man to his own beliefs, even in death, or the one who believes he needs to give them a chance to "be saved" according to their own?

With the afterlife considered, I'd say the guy who thinks that being Jewish disqualifies him from the opportunity to make a choice more than the guy who asks what the Jewish guy wants.

[Veladio]

So then...what happens when...not if...i refuse? Purgatory? My point is, if there is a consequence, then it is being directed towards people who could receive said consequence, therefore violating my will.

If you refuse, it's just status quo. You go where your works and your desire to do good put you, as they were already were going to.

...so let me get this straight...so you believe i will go where i believe my good deeds will put me? so...you believe people who follow Asatru will go to Asgaard...therefore you believe in Asgaard?