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[Veladio]

And if it was limited to being practiced only on those who likely never heard the gospel, it might almost be tolerable. The tendency to do it on every nameable dead person ever who wasn't a Mormon in life is completely ridiculous.

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

There most certainly is. Like i said, some religions, like Wicca, believe that prayers can have an adverse affect on our will, therefore almost forcing us to follow your prayer.

[Goldwateria (Ancient)]

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

There most certainly is. Like i said, some religions, like Wicca, believe that prayers can have an adverse affect on our will, therefore almost forcing us to follow your prayer.

Important detail: Do you folks actually believe other religion's prayers can affect your will? Just curious, not trying to be an ass, but it seems relevant.

[Wikkiwallana]

And if it was limited to being practiced only on those who likely never heard the gospel, it might almost be tolerable. The tendency to do it on every nameable dead person ever who wasn't a Mormon in life is completely ridiculous.

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

Sorry, but compulsion or not, you don't have the right to perform religious ceremonies on others without their consent. You have no right to force rites.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

There most certainly is. Like i said, some religions, like Wicca, believe that prayers can have an adverse affect on our will, therefore almost forcing us to follow your prayer.

There's no rules or guidelines in that prayer, so...yeah, you aren't "following" anything.

[Frisivisia]

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

Sorry, but compulsion or not, you don't have the right to perform religious ceremonies on others without their consent. You have no right to force rites.

I see what you did there.

[Silent Majority]

Fixed. My posterior is always prepared.

My body is ready.

Kinky

[Frisivisia]

My body is ready.

Kinky

That's an E3 reference.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

Sorry, but compulsion or not, you don't have the right to perform religious ceremonies on others without their consent. You have no right to force rites.

We're not. In the case of baptisms FOR (notice), not on, the dead, it's me (well, I'm old enough I could be the baptizer), getting baptized. Then, in the afterlife, the guy gets the option "do you want to affirm that baptism as your baptism?" (notice, without that affirmation the baptism is meaningless and NOT HIS)

I don't take the guys name or anything. I'm being baptized on his behalf. Me.

[Maurepas]

And if it was limited to being practiced only on those who likely never heard the gospel, it might almost be tolerable. The tendency to do it on every nameable dead person ever who wasn't a Mormon in life is completely ridiculous.

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

If you were asking rather than consecrating, maybe I could see it. But I can't imagine you want to ask the dead.

[Wikkiwallana]

Sorry, but compulsion or not, you don't have the right to perform religious ceremonies on others without their consent. You have no right to force rites.

We're not. In the case of baptisms FOR (notice), not on, the dead, it's me (well, I'm old enough I could be the baptizer), getting baptized. Then, in the afterlife, the guy gets the option "do you want to affirm that baptism as your baptism?" (notice, without that affirmation the baptism is meaningless and NOT HIS)

Yeah, sorry, I don't care. It's proxy ritual, and as such you can stuff it.

[Veladio]

There most certainly is. Like i said, some religions, like Wicca, believe that prayers can have an adverse affect on our will, therefore almost forcing us to follow your prayer.

Important detail: Do you folks actually believe other religion's prayers can affect your will? Just curious, not trying to be an ass, but it seems relevant.

Yes. Like if someone says, "I pray that you accept Jesus into your life." It could affect our free will to do so, and in turn cause us to follow and accept Jesus into our life.

[Veladio]

There most certainly is. Like i said, some religions, like Wicca, believe that prayers can have an adverse affect on our will, therefore almost forcing us to follow your prayer.

There's no rules or guidelines in that prayer, so...yeah, you aren't "following" anything.

"Follow" as in forced into accepting your prayer.

[Maurepas]

Sorry, but compulsion or not, you don't have the right to perform religious ceremonies on others without their consent. You have no right to force rites.

We're not. In the case of baptisms FOR (notice), not on, the dead, it's me (well, I'm old enough I could be the baptizer), getting baptized. Then, in the afterlife, the guy gets the option "do you want to affirm that baptism as your baptism?" (notice, without that affirmation the baptism is meaningless and NOT HIS)

I don't take the guys name or anything. I'm being baptized on his behalf. Me.

What you think happens in the supposed afterlife has no bearing on the fact that you're performing a religious ritual on a person without their family and loved ones' consent.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I'd like every to take note of the fact he's admitted he's being intolerant at the moment.

Is it any more offensive than me saying "Hey brah, wanna join the church?" No. There's no compulsion.

If you were asking rather than consecrating, maybe I could see it. But I can't imagine you want to ask the dead.

You're using that word without actually knowing what it means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consecrating

I don't see in there "asking someone if they want to join the Church"

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

We're not. In the case of baptisms FOR (notice), not on, the dead, it's me (well, I'm old enough I could be the baptizer), getting baptized. Then, in the afterlife, the guy gets the option "do you want to affirm that baptism as your baptism?" (notice, without that affirmation the baptism is meaningless and NOT HIS)

I don't take the guys name or anything. I'm being baptized on his behalf. Me.

What you think happens in the supposed afterlife has no bearing on the fact that you're performing a religious ritual on a person without their family and loved ones' consent.

Who is getting put in the water? Me. Whose name is being baptized? mine. Remember "Brother so and so, I baptize you". It's only their baptism if they want it to be. If they don't, it wasn't their baptism.

[Maurepas]

If you were asking rather than consecrating, maybe I could see it. But I can't imagine you want to ask the dead.

You're using that word without actually knowing what it means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consecrating

I don't see in there "asking someone if they want to join the Church"

And nowhere in your statement did I hear that you ask the corpse if it wants to join the church. You merely baptise the person who was buried, and there's a difference.

How you rationalize it is irrelevant, you're not asking them to join anything, you're performing a religious ritual.

The only way I'd see your "prayer" as anything but a forced consecration is if the corpse somehow answered the question "Would you like to join our church?" with a "Yes". Nothing else.

But I somehow doubt that ever happens.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

There's no rules or guidelines in that prayer, so...yeah, you aren't "following" anything.

"Follow" as in forced into accepting your prayer.

It wasn't a prayer. Mormon prayers are adressed to Heavenly Father, said in the name of Jesus Christ.

[Frisivisia]

I hate to say it, but Mongol has a point. I think BFTD are dumb, but I don't think that there's anything hugely wrong with them.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

You're using that word without actually knowing what it means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consecrating

I don't see in there "asking someone if they want to join the Church"

And nowhere in your statement did I hear that you ask the corpse if it wants to join the church. You merely baptise the person who was buried, and there's a difference.

How you rationalize it is irrelevant, you're not asking them to join anything, you're performing a religious ritual.

The only way I'd see your "prayer" as anything but a forced consecration is if the corpse somehow answered the question "Would you like to join our church?" with a "Yes". Nothing else.

But I somehow doubt that ever happens.

What definition of that word are you using?

The asking happens in the hereafter. "Is this your baptism?" if they say "No" then it was not, their was no religious ritual performed on them, and nothing done without their consent regarding their religious status.

[Maurepas]

And nowhere in your statement did I hear that you ask the corpse if it wants to join the church. You merely baptise the person who was buried, and there's a difference.

How you rationalize it is irrelevant, you're not asking them to join anything, you're performing a religious ritual.

The only way I'd see your "prayer" as anything but a forced consecration is if the corpse somehow answered the question "Would you like to join our church?" with a "Yes". Nothing else.

But I somehow doubt that ever happens.

What definition of that word are you using?

The asking happens in the hereafter. "Is this your baptism?" if they say "No" then it was not, their was no religious ritual performed on them, and nothing done without their consent regarding their religious status.

Hence the problem with the whole thing. The dispute has nothing to do with what you believe happens in your supposed "hereafter" it has to do with the fact that you didn't ask in the now.

[Veladio]

"Follow" as in forced into accepting your prayer.

It wasn't a prayer. Mormon prayers are adressed to Heavenly Father, said in the name of Jesus Christ.

Prayer, Ritual, whatever you want to call it. Its being addressed to another individual besides yourself, correct? My point is that that can have an adverse affect on my will.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

What definition of that word are you using?

The asking happens in the hereafter. "Is this your baptism?" if they say "No" then it was not, their was no religious ritual performed on them, and nothing done without their consent regarding their religious status.

Hence the problem with the whole thing. The dispute has nothing to do with what you believe happens in your supposed "hereafter" it has to do with the fact that you didn't ask in the now.

Do I have to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask if you want to see a movie?

All the baptism thing really is is a question.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

It wasn't a prayer. Mormon prayers are adressed to Heavenly Father, said in the name of Jesus Christ.

Prayer, Ritual, whatever you want to call it. Its being addressed to another individual besides yourself, correct? My point is that that can have an adverse affect on my will.

Uhm, no?

It's being addressed to the person who is being put in the water, Brother So and So, who is Mormon.

[Maurepas]

Hence the problem with the whole thing. The dispute has nothing to do with what you believe happens in your supposed "hereafter" it has to do with the fact that you didn't ask in the now.

Do I have to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask if you want to see a movie?

All the baptism thing really is is a question.

You have to ask before you put them in the theater and demand to know whether they want to see a movie, yeah.

It's a little late to be asking me once you've already put me there.

[Gauthier]

Hence the problem with the whole thing. The dispute has nothing to do with what you believe happens in your supposed "hereafter" it has to do with the fact that you didn't ask in the now.

Do I have to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask to be able to ask if you want to see a movie?

All the baptism thing really is is a question.

Sure it is.

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