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Iran - Who's fault is it?

It's the UK's fault.
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12%
It's still America's fault.
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18%
It's Iran's own fault.
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26%
All of the above, they all were responsible.
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32%
None of the above, shit just happens.
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7%
I don't know/care.
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Postby Krownsinburg » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:47 am

Iran is the opressive, WMD-seeking, shit-hole it is today, not because of America, but rather, because of Britain.

When the Iranian President kicked the British Oil Companie(s) out of Iran, what did they do? Brush it off? No, they decided to manipulate the US President to stage a coup, and establish a Pro-West Dictatorship, because the Iranian President was receiving support from the Communists, just so the British could have some of Iran's Black Gold.

THAT is the reason Iran is such a piece of crap right now.

THAT is the reason Iran hates the US right now.

But, infact, they should be hating Britain rather then the US, they should be demonizing Britain, not the US.

We were fooled, just because those damn, greedy, Brits couldn't stand being kicked out of Iran's Oil Fields.

It's all Britains fault.
Last edited by Krownsinburg on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:53 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:49 am

I suppose if we Irish are allowed to blame Britain for everything, the Iranians should be too.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:50 am

Ovisterra wrote:I suppose if we Irish are allowed to blame Britain for everything, the Iranians should be too.

All countries starting with "I"?
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:51 am

Dictatorship?

Are you referring to the lash Shah?
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 am

No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:I suppose if we Irish are allowed to blame Britain for everything, the Iranians should be too.

All countries starting with "I"?


"Ir" only I'm afraid.
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:I suppose if we Irish are allowed to blame Britain for everything, the Iranians should be too.

All countries starting with "I"?


Irish, Iranians, Iraqis, Indians...

:o
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:53 am

Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.


The mullahs with their horrible and flawed economic policies and their assault on Iranian culture turned it into the shit hole it is today.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 am

Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.

The natural resources of a given nation belong to no one but the people of that nation, and should be used for the good of that nation. The oil had no place being taken by foreigners.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 am

Volnotova wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:All countries starting with "I"?


Irish, Iranians, Iraqis, Indians...

:o


Okay, I take back the "Ir" bit. This makes more sense.
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Postby Hydesland » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 am

If we go down this route we'll eventually be blaming William the Conqueror.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:55 am

Krownsinburg wrote:Iran is the opressive, WMD-seeking, shit-hole it is today, not because of America, but rather, because of Britain.

When the Iranian President kicked the British Oil Companie(s) out of Iran, what did they do? Brush it off? No, they decided to manipulate the US President to stage a coup, and establish a Pro-West Dictatorship, because the Iranian President was receiving support from the Communists, just so the British could have some of Iran's Black Gold.

THAT is the reason Iran is such a piece of crap right now.

THAT is the reason Iran hates the US right now.

But, infact, they should be hating Britain rather then the US, they should be demonizing Britain, not the US.

We were fooled, just because those damn, greedy, Brits couldn't stand being kicked out of Iran's Oil Fields.

It's all Britains fault.


The US could always have said no...much like they did with the entire Suez thing....
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:55 am

Hydesland wrote:If we go down this route we'll eventually be blaming William the Conqueror.


That bastard started everything.
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:55 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.

The natural resources of a given nation belong to no one but the people of that nation, and should be used for the good of that nation. The oil had no place being taken by foreigners.

No, they belong to the individual or company who owns that piece of land. Of course some people of that nation might have shares of that company, but in no way does that stuff belong to ''the people of that nation''. It's not theirs, they do not deserve it.
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Postby Krownsinburg » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:56 am

Hydesland wrote:If we go down this route we'll eventually be blaming William the Conqueror.


Naw, let's just blame Hitler for everything.

That's what he's for anyway. :)

Stalin too.
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Postby Volnotova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:57 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.

The natural resources of a given nation belong to no one but the people of that nation, and should be used for the good of that nation. The oil had no place being taken by foreigners.


International Law?

So, if say, the Russian government today decides to seize all American, European, British and Chinese assets regardless of the fact that their own laws state it is the property of the individuals and companies(foreign that they might be) that own them, then that is legal?

:lol:
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:58 am

Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.


Yeah that's not how it works...but whatever. However to say Iran was 'pretty good' I recommend you bone up on Savak for a start or (for a starter) Robert Fisks - The Great War for Civilisation.
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Postby Hippostania » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:59 am

Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.


Yeah that's not how it works...but whatever. However to say Iran was 'pretty good' I recommend you bone up on Savak for a start or (for a starter) Robert Fisks - The Great War for Civilisation.

Well, it was. It certainly wasn't an islamic dictatorship, and guess what three things Iran had at the time that it doesn't have today?

An American embassy, Burger King and KFC.

I rest my case :p
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Postby Helcasia » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:59 am

I still blame America. Their fault for being Bolshephobes.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

Krownsinburg wrote:
Hydesland wrote:If we go down this route we'll eventually be blaming William the Conqueror.


Naw, let's just blame Hitler for everything.

That's what he's for anyway. :)

Stalin too.


If you're going to blame Hitler and Stalin, you need to blame Kaiser Wilhelm II, Nicholas II, Georges Clemenceau, Woodrow Wilson, David Lloyd George, Rasputin, Lenin, Trotsky, etc.

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Postby 21st June 2012 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

Hey, you leave Wales out of this

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

Volnotova wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:The natural resources of a given nation belong to no one but the people of that nation, and should be used for the good of that nation. The oil had no place being taken by foreigners.


International Law?

So, if say, the Russian government today decides to seize all American, European, British and Chinese assets regardless of the fact that their own laws state it is the property of the individuals and companies(foreign that they might be) that own them, then that is legal?

:lol:


The law would be changed to allow Nationalisation. Much like the way the swathe of privatisation of nationalised industries in the UK (in the 80's) required legislation.
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Postby Krownsinburg » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

Hippostania wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Yeah that's not how it works...but whatever. However to say Iran was 'pretty good' I recommend you bone up on Savak for a start or (for a starter) Robert Fisks - The Great War for Civilisation.

Well, it was. It certainly wasn't an islamic dictatorship, and guess what three things Iran had at the time that it doesn't have today?

An American embassy, Burger King and KFC.

I rest my case :p


>Burger King & KFC

You aren't helping Hippo. >:(
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

Hippostania wrote:No, it's Iran's fault for trying to illegally steal foreign corporation's assets. That's what you get when you become a criminal, you're punished. Besides, Iran under Shah was actually in pretty good country. It was prosperous and a close ally of the West.

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Postby TaQud » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

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