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Frack! can I change my vote?

Postby JuNii » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:30 pm

Rep. Becky Carney, a Democrat lawmaker in North Carolina accidentally voted to overturn a veto of a bill that made Fracking legal. For those who don't know, (like me...) Fracking is a drilling technique that can potentially contaminate Groundwater. her mistake gave those that supported an overturn enough votes to succeed...

The discussion point... should there be procedures to allow a vote change? should there be a set time where voting shouldn't be called?

will post my opinion later...

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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:31 pm

No, she shouldn't of been drunk when he went to go vote. How the fuck do you "accidentally" vote unless you really don't care and aren't paying attention?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:35 pm

That, is extremely amusing. She is now my favorite Democrat.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:36 pm

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:No, he shouldn't of been drunk when he went to go vote. How the fuck do you "accidentally" vote unless you really don't care and aren't paying attention?

Always blaming it on the drink... and men.
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Postby Cruciland » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:37 pm

It depends- does fracking produce more profit than environmental damage? Yes? Don't let her, she'll just cause liabilities.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:38 pm

Cruciland wrote:It depends- does fracking produce more profit than environmental damage? Yes? Don't let her, she'll just cause liabilities.

Source on that, and also, why should it matter?

If proof can be offered that the voter was not in a proper state to make a decision, they should be allowed to alter their vote.

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Postby Ertae » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:39 pm

No vote changing. If you pay that little attention to your only purpose in society, you don't deserve the position.
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Postby Artanili Datium » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:39 pm

Should've read the bill.

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Postby Cannothinkofaname » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:39 pm

Should've paid more attention to what she was voting on.

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Postby Novaya Tselinoyarsk » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:No, he shouldn't of been drunk when he went to go vote. How the fuck do you "accidentally" vote unless you really don't care and aren't paying attention?

Always blaming it on the drink... and men.


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Postby Cruciland » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:41 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cruciland wrote:It depends- does fracking produce more profit than environmental damage? Yes? Don't let her, she'll just cause liabilities.

Source on that, and also, why should it matter?

If proof can be offered that the voter was not in a proper state to make a decision, they should be allowed to alter their vote.

And stop progress? I don't think so! Now, IF fracking IS doing more harm than good, THEN we'll let her change the vote! So, IS it doing more harm than good? TELL ME AND SHOW ME PROOF.
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Postby Nadkor » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:42 pm

Sounds like when an SNP Minister in the Scottish Government accidentally voted against one of the party's flagship policies.

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Don't see why you should be able to change your vote. You're so incompetent you can't even manage to vote the correct way? Tough shit, and in a fair world you'd probably be able to expect to lose your seat at the next election.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:49 pm

To be fair though, North Carolina has a dick rule on House votes. Basically the only time someone can fix a wrong vote on their part is if the vote does not affect the overall outcome. Pretty bullshit.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:51 pm

Cruciland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Source on that, and also, why should it matter?

If proof can be offered that the voter was not in a proper state to make a decision, they should be allowed to alter their vote.

And stop progress? I don't think so! Now, IF fracking IS doing more harm than good, THEN we'll let her change the vote! So, IS it doing more harm than good? TELL ME AND SHOW ME PROOF.

Haha no.

I asked you for proof, since you made the claim.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:55 pm

Don't let her change her vote. If she wasn't in "a fit state" to vote, she shouldn't be in office. If she changed her mind so quickly - same answer.

I, for one, support the frackin' measure. As long as it does quite a bit of good for the economy - if it wouldn't change it that much, then I suppose it should be banned, if the enviromental impact outweighs the economic good.
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Postby Cruciland » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:56 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cruciland wrote:And stop progress? I don't think so! Now, IF fracking IS doing more harm than good, THEN we'll let her change the vote! So, IS it doing more harm than good? TELL ME AND SHOW ME PROOF.

Haha no.

I asked you for proof, since you made the claim.

I made NO claim. I must've not mentioned the other side- IF it did more harm than good. Do you seriously want me to re-write it in bipartisan format? FINE.

"If fracking does more harm than good, let her re-vote and fix the error. If it does more good than harm, don't let her. Society's well-being is very important."
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Postby Nadkor » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cruciland wrote:It depends- does fracking produce more profit than environmental damage? Yes? Don't let her, she'll just cause liabilities.

Source on that, and also, why should it matter?

If proof can be offered that the voter was not in a proper state to make a decision, they should be allowed to alter their vote.


If proof can be offered that the voter was not in a proper state to make a decision then they shouldn't have done so and should be subject to whatever sanctions follow.
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Postby No Water No Moon » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:03 pm

Nadkor wrote:Don't see why you should be able to change your vote. You're so incompetent you can't even manage to vote the correct way? Tough shit, and in a fair world you'd probably be able to expect to lose your seat at the next election.


See, I don't quite get this.

Sure, let the voters decide whether they think you're up to the job... but why should everyone in your constituency have to live with you leaning on the wrong button? Doesn't that seem to be punishing the wrong people, so to speak?
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Postby Crogach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:03 pm

She should be allowed to change her vote, and she should be replaced by someone more attentive and responsible in the next regularly scheduled primary.

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Postby Cannothinkofaname » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:05 pm

No Water No Moon wrote:
Nadkor wrote:Don't see why you should be able to change your vote. You're so incompetent you can't even manage to vote the correct way? Tough shit, and in a fair world you'd probably be able to expect to lose your seat at the next election.


See, I don't quite get this.

Sure, let the voters decide whether they think you're up to the job... but why should everyone in your constituency have to live with you leaning on the wrong button? Doesn't that seem to be punishing the wrong people, so to speak?

Perhaps the point here is to teach politicians NOT TO LEAN ON THE WRONG G-DAMNED BUTTON?

Not to mention her constituency's opinion on fracking isn't known. But, even if it IS majorly against it, maybe they deserve to know their rep. is apparently incapable of distinguishing the red button from the green one?

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:07 pm

Novaya Tselinoyarsk wrote:No, she shouldn't of been drunk when he went to go vote.

Changed gender at the same time?
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Postby Nadkor » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:10 pm

No Water No Moon wrote:
Nadkor wrote:Don't see why you should be able to change your vote. You're so incompetent you can't even manage to vote the correct way? Tough shit, and in a fair world you'd probably be able to expect to lose your seat at the next election.


See, I don't quite get this.

Sure, let the voters decide whether they think you're up to the job... but why should everyone in your constituency have to live with you leaning on the wrong button? Doesn't that seem to be punishing the wrong people, so to speak?


Welcome to representative democracy. Regardless of how you vote there are going to be plenty of people who disagree, including if you've done it by accident. Incompetence should be punished, but the way you do this in a representative democracy is by not voting for that person again.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:10 pm

Cannothinkofaname wrote:
No Water No Moon wrote:
See, I don't quite get this.

Sure, let the voters decide whether they think you're up to the job... but why should everyone in your constituency have to live with you leaning on the wrong button? Doesn't that seem to be punishing the wrong people, so to speak?

Perhaps the point here is to teach politicians NOT TO LEAN ON THE WRONG G-DAMNED BUTTON?

Not to mention her constituency's opinion on fracking isn't known. But, even if it IS majorly against it, maybe they deserve to know their rep. is apparently incapable of distinguishing the red button from the green one?

Colorblindness isn't grounds for protection from discrimination?

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Postby Cannothinkofaname » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:11 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cannothinkofaname wrote:Perhaps the point here is to teach politicians NOT TO LEAN ON THE WRONG G-DAMNED BUTTON?

Not to mention her constituency's opinion on fracking isn't known. But, even if it IS majorly against it, maybe they deserve to know their rep. is apparently incapable of distinguishing the red button from the green one?

Colorblindness isn't grounds for protection from discrimination?

:lol:
I don't think the rep. is color-blind.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Cannothinkofaname wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Colorblindness isn't grounds for protection from discrimination?

:lol:
I don't think the rep. is color-blind.

Mentally challenged, then.

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