2012-2013 College Football Discussion Thread(SEASON OVER)

[Pope Joan]

How would you rank the one-loss teams? Here is my guess:

Alabama 9-1 Beat Michigan, Mississippi State, LSU
Florida State 9-1. Big wins: Clemson, Miami, Va Tech
Georgia 9-1 beat Florida, Vanderbilt, Tennessee
Louisiana Tech 9-1 lost by 2 points to Texas A&M
Florida 9-1 Beat Tennessee, LSU, South Carolina
Kent State 9-1 beat Rutgers, Miami of Ohio
Louisville 9-1. Beat Cincy and Pgh who are ok.
Clemson 8-1Quality wins (at the time): Va Tech. Their wins are actually against weak teams.
Rutgers 8-1 Beat Syracuse, who are ok.
Kent State 9-1 beat Rutgers, Miami of Ohio
North Dakota State 9-1 beat Youngstown State, Southern Illinois
Montana State 9-1 beat Drake, Sacramento State
Old Dominion 9-1 beat New Hampshire
Lehigh 9-1 beat Princeton, Fordham, Liberty
Northern Illinois 9-1 Beat losing teams

1-AA team don't count,

What a break for Northern Illinois! They get to rise five places on the list.

[The Emerald Dawn]

1-AA team don't count,

What a break for Northern Illinois! They get to rise five places on the list.

"Beat losing teams" has to be one of the most meaningless phrases outside of college football. Just look at the statement on its own.

Beat losing teams.

Well, of course they did. If they didn't lose, they wouldn't have beaten them.

Sorry, what were we saying? Oh yea, Go Aggies!

[Bythyrona]

Oklahoma State lost to unranked Iowa State (who finished the season 6-7) and dropped from #2 to #3...please stop thinking it's only SEC bias.

Oklahoma State lost right after the plane crash... couldn't that have anything to do with it?

Methinks there's some fundamental bias when a team that played in a weaker conference than the Big 12 doesn't win its division or conference and loses to #2 at home gets to go to a BCS "National Championship" game.

"So that LSU-Alabama 'game of the century' back in November? Meaningless. Might as well not have played it. Turns out it was not the game of the century, year, or even month. LSU is the SEC champion, but all that got them was an extra game they had to win against Georgia, whereas Alabama could sit back and chill, getting a full 6 weeks to prepare for their make-up test to be named 'national champions' over their own conference champions. The whole thing is a ridiculous fiasco to everyone outside Alabama."

http://tiptop25.com/fixing2011.html

[Thatius]

Oklahoma State lost to unranked Iowa State (who finished the season 6-7) and dropped from #2 to #3...please stop thinking it's only SEC bias.

Oklahoma State lost right after the plane crash... couldn't that have anything to do with it?

Methinks there's some fundamental bias when a team that played in a weaker conference than the Big 12 doesn't win its division or conference and loses to #2 at home gets to go to a BCS "National Championship" game.

"So that LSU-Alabama 'game of the century' back in November? Meaningless. Might as well not have played it. Turns out it was not the game of the century, year, or even month. LSU is the SEC champion, but all that got them was an extra game they had to win against Georgia, whereas Alabama could sit back and chill, getting a full 6 weeks to prepare for their make-up test to be named 'national champions' over their own conference champions. The whole thing is a ridiculous fiasco to everyone outside Alabama."

http://tiptop25.com/fixing2011.html

SMH at this excuse. This has been used often to explain OKST's loss. Well they were up what, 24-7 at halftime and then all of a sudden they remember that there was a plane crash that killed two basketball coaches? That doesn't explain it. I'm sorry for Oklahoma State's loss, I truly am, but this did not affect them really. Iowa State was motivated and played an incredible game. Here in Tuscaloosa we aren't giving the excuse of the tornado coming through and killing 100+ people (including one of our player's girlfriends) for any of our losses.

I'm just glad we're bringing up this argument again. This had absolutely NOTHING to do with my post. I said OKST slipped from #2 to #3 after losing to unranked, 6-6 Iowa State, yet people are complaining that Bama fell from #1 to #4 after losing to the #15 team in the nation.

I just think you have been itching to post that and finally felt a way to interject that very irrelevant opinion.

[Pope Joan]

What a break for Northern Illinois! They get to rise five places on the list.

"Beat losing teams" has to be one of the most meaningless phrases outside of college football. Just look at the statement on its own.

Beat losing teams.

Well, of course they did. If they didn't lose, they wouldn't have beaten them.

Sorry, what were we saying? Oh yea, Go Aggies!

Would you rather I say "Beat pathetic teams that could not fight their way out of a paper bag?"
That would be their schedule so far. The one decent team they faced is the one that beat them.

[The Emerald Dawn]

"Beat losing teams" has to be one of the most meaningless phrases outside of college football. Just look at the statement on its own.

Beat losing teams.

Well, of course they did. If they didn't lose, they wouldn't have beaten them.

Sorry, what were we saying? Oh yea, Go Aggies!

Would you rather I say "Beat pathetic teams that could not fight their way out of a paper bag?"
That would be their schedule so far. The one decent team they faced is the one that beat them.

Honestly, I don't know a good way to say it. Just that the phrase of choice caused me to giggle and then comment.

[Pope Joan]

Would you rather I say "Beat pathetic teams that could not fight their way out of a paper bag?"
That would be their schedule so far. The one decent team they faced is the one that beat them.

Honestly, I don't know a good way to say it. Just that the phrase of choice caused me to giggle and then comment.

[Minnysota]

Here in Tuscaloosa we aren't giving the excuse of the tornado coming through and killing 100+ people (including one of our player's girlfriends) for any of our losses.

Alabama is given every excuse people can think of, even if they don't need it. Stop pretending that the BCS and ESPN aren't fapping to the idea of Bama sneaking back into the National Championship right now.

[Minnysota]

please stop thinking it's only SEC bias.

At this point, it really is.

[Qazox]

So, and this is just me wondering, why did Alabama only drop to 5?

They only dropped to #4.

The HUMAN POLLS keep them high (1 harris poll voter had them #1 still).

It's human bias not necessarily a SEC bias.

[Qazox]

Also I'd like to know who was the other poster who voted on the poll for OREGON to win. I am one of the 2

[Bythyrona]

I just think you have been itching to post that and finally felt a way to interject that very irrelevant opinion.

...how is it irrelevant to attack blatant bias by the BCS and AP Poll by using the most glaring example available? I think it's pretty irrelevant to attack Oklahoma State instead of defending Alabama's bullshit excuse for a MNC, or at least irrelevant to not address the blatant fellation of the SEC.

[Torisakia]

Nope, you're a-damn I can't say it because of the rules.

It's true. Bama blew every opportunity they had to win, whether you like it or not. Some people just can't face facts.

Guess this means that I'll get this shit from now on since I'm a Bama fan. Fact is, Alabama is better than the mediocre teams you root for. 14 National Titles(9 to you) BITCH.

I'd rather be a Bama fan and lose every now and then than be a fan of a team who RUNS UP THE SCORE.

You brought up national titles so I'm willing to bet good money that you're a bandwagon.

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

[Torisakia]

Also I'd like to know who was the other poster who voted on the poll for OREGON to win. I am one of the 2

Oregon can't beat Auburn, they don't deserve a national title or even be MENTION for it.

[Bythyrona]

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

...because most people like to think Bama has more national titles than Notre Dame, USC, or Oklahoma. Also because of the fact that Alabama has been nationally lauded in the past three years.

Also, lol, you kidding me? Oregon has the best offense I've ever witnessed with my own two eyes.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Also I'd like to know who was the other poster who voted on the poll for OREGON to win. I am one of the 2

Yo.

[Thatius]

I just think you have been itching to post that and finally felt a way to interject that very irrelevant opinion.

...how is it irrelevant to attack blatant bias by the BCS and AP Poll by using the most glaring example available? I think it's pretty irrelevant to attack Oklahoma State instead of defending Alabama's bullshit excuse for a MNC, or at least irrelevant to not address the blatant fellation of the SEC.

Attack Oklahoma State? I was pointing to them to show examples of bias outside the SEC...but if you took that as an attack o.k. Obviously this hit some kind of nerve for you. We had this conversation back in January, I believe...and if you couldn't see that Alabama was the #1 team last year, then you have something wrong with you. Sure, I'm an advocate of a play-off, would have loved to see LSU v. Stanford and Alabama v. OKST, but the past is the past. Things are changing, and we're getting a playoff soon.

please stop thinking it's only SEC bias.

At this point, it really is.

Who's a better one-loss team? FSU? They lost to NC State (Tennessee crushed NC State, would they do the same to FSU?) Clemson lost to FSU. Oklahoma might be the best 2-loss team besides A&M or LSU, but they shouldn't be ranked ahead of Alabama.

Here in Tuscaloosa we aren't giving the excuse of the tornado coming through and killing 100+ people (including one of our player's girlfriends) for any of our losses.

Alabama is given every excuse people can think of, even if they don't need it. Stop pretending that the BCS and ESPN aren't fapping to the idea of Bama sneaking back into the National Championship right now.

Except we didn't use that excuse...I'm just saying that the plane crash is a horrible excuse for Oklahoma State fans. Of course the BCS wants Bama back in the title picture...they would prefer Bama in over Kansas State, but would probably be fine with a Notre Dame-Oregon matchup.

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

...because most people like to think Bama has more national titles than Notre Dame, USC, or Oklahoma. Also because of the fact that Alabama has been nationally lauded in the past three years.

Also, lol, you kidding me? Oregon has the best offense I've ever witnessed with my own two eyes.

That's because we do. Take out claimed championships (we claim 14) and we have 9 that have been awarded by the AP poll, which is pretty much the standard. Notre Dame has 8, and Oklahoma and USC each have 7.

[Minnysota]

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

Like you? Sorry, I don't label bandwagons as "loyal fans".

[TaQud]

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

Like you? Sorry, I don't label bandwagons as "loyal fans".

THIS.

COULDN'T AGREE ANYMORE!

[Torisakia]

Why does everyone think all Alabama fans are bandwagon? Don't you think they have loyal fans, like me?

Like you? Sorry, I don't label bandwagons as "loyal fans".

So because I emtnion Alabama's national titles, I automatically become a bandwagon? Let me tell you something, I've lived in Alabama all my life. I live 50 miles away from Tuscaloosa, a tornado destroyed a town just down the street from me. I've been following Alabama football my whole life, and you call me a bandwagon fan? Until all of the stuff I listed above happens to you, shut up.

[Qazox]

Jeezz.. calm down a bit people.

[Torisakia]

Jeezz.. calm down a bit people.

I'm tired of these DF's who have no respect for good teams, or fans of those teams for that matter.

[Torisakia]

That would be their schedule so far. The one decent team they faced is the one that beat them.

I assume a #11 Mississippi State team and a top 10 LSU team don't count as a decent team? Or they are until Bama beats them. Funny how logic works.

[Bythyrona]

That's because we do. Take out claimed championships (we claim 14) and we have 9 that have been awarded by the AP poll, which is pretty much the standard. Notre Dame has 8, and Oklahoma and USC each have 7.

This isn't directed towards you or just Bama fans, but claiming a national title is much different than earning one (ahem, TEXAS A&M).

The AP Poll's national champion award should not be considered the "golden standard" for good reasons. Off the top of my head: no post-bowl polls until 1968, 1953 Iowa/Notre Dame (the "Fainting" Irish incident), 1957 Auburn (on probation), 1974 Oklahoma (on probation), 1978 Alabama (lost at home to USC 24-14), 1984 BYU (historically weak schedule), 1990 Colorado (Fifth Down Game).

I've got Bama at eight titles by my own limited research. I don't think the NCAA has any validity when it comes to selecting MNC selectors (seeing as how it willfully remained without a D-1A playoff for over 100 years), but if I went by official selectors and my exclusion of some of their titles, I think the number would be six or seven.

[Qazox]

A real sobering story.