NFL Off-Season Discussion Thread *Over a year old!*

[Chetssaland]

My top 32 Quartarbacks.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Robert Griffin III
8. Andrew Luck
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Eli Manning
11. Russell Wilson
12. Matthew Stafford
13. Matt Schaub
14. Tony Romo
15. Mathew Stafford
16. Colin Kaepernick
17. Philip Rivers
18. Jay Cutler
19. Andy Dalton
20. Sam Bradford
21. Ryan Tannehill
22. Christrian Ponder
23. Josh Freeman
24. Ryan Fitzpatrick
25. Mike Vike
26. Mark Sanchez
27. Jake Locker
28. Weeden
29. Cassel
30. Palmer
31. Lindley
32. Henne

I think you have overrated Griffin. Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning all put the offenses on their backs. Griffin was pretty much babied for half the season. He was spectacular while being babied, but I think there's something to be said for guys like Luck who were thrown into the fire like he was.

[Chetssaland]

Congrats Ravens fans, though I'm a few days late. My only thought I want to share on the game is that I don't buy into the theory that the blackout caused the comeback.

Anyways, I had NFL 32 on and they were discussing QB rankings. We had that discussion before the season, but I feel a new discussion is warranted after the season. Based off the 32 starting QBs, here are my 32. The "elite" are bolded. The only reason I do that is because these days everyone wants to claim that there are like 8 elite quarterbacks. I'm here to tell you 25% of the starting QBs can't be elite. I narrowed it down to 4 this year, but it doesn't have to be at 4 all the time.

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. P. Manning
5. Ryan
6. Flacco
7. Roethlisberger
8. E. Manning
9. Luck
10. Griffin
11. Wilson
12. Stafford
13. Kaepernick
14. Rivers
15. Newton
16. Romo
17. Schaub
18. Cutler
19. Dalton
20. Bradford
21. Ponder
22. Freeman
23. Vick
24. Fitzpatrick
25. Tannehill
26. Sanchez
27. Palmer
28. Cassel
29. Weeden
30. Locker
31. Henne
32. Lindley

Freeman at #22? Say what?

Freeman wasn't losing games for Tampa, his defense was. When Freeman's hot, I'll take him any day of the week.

Admittedly, I'd like my Bucs to pick up Tajh Boyd in next year's draft (if we do badly enough to have him available, anyway) and get Freeman out of the gate, but still, Freeman is easily better than Ponder, Cutler, and Schaub and arguably better than another five or so ahead of him on the list.

He had some solid games, but Schaub is easily better than Freeman, as is Cutler. I'll retract my statement that Ponder is better... for now. Bottom line is, Freeman had a TD-INT ratio of 2-9 in the last 3 games of the season, which is not what leaders do.

But due to his upside, I will move Freeman to 20, ahead of Ponder and Bradford. Just barely ahead of Bradford though.

[Kentsland]

My top 32 Quartarbacks.

1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
4. Tom Brady
5. Matt Ryan
6. Joe Flacco
7. Robert Griffin III
8. Andrew Luck
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Eli Manning
11. Russell Wilson
12. Matthew Stafford
13. Matt Schaub
14. Tony Romo
15. Mathew Stafford
16. Colin Kaepernick
17. Philip Rivers
18. Jay Cutler
19. Andy Dalton
20. Sam Bradford
21. Ryan Tannehill
22. Christrian Ponder
23. Josh Freeman
24. Ryan Fitzpatrick
25. Mike Vike
26. Mark Sanchez
27. Jake Locker
28. Weeden
29. Cassel
30. Palmer
31. Lindley
32. Henne

I think you have overrated Griffin. Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning all put the offenses on their backs. Griffin was pretty much babied for half the season. He was spectacular while being babied, but I think there's something to be said for guys like Luck who were thrown into the fire like he was.

True. Those players I've essentially lumped together, couldn't really decide who is really better than the other

[Qazox]

Back. Wtg ravens.

Joe Flacco is now one of the elite QB's in the NFL now. But Brady's still the only one with B2B rings

[Lewina]

Back. Wtg ravens.

Joe Flacco is now one of the elite QB's in the NFL now. But Brady's still the only one with B2B rings

Brady sucks and this is coming from a New England fan. Ryan Mallet needs to step up.

[Williamson]

Back. Wtg ravens.

Joe Flacco is now one of the elite QB's in the NFL now. But Brady's still the only one with B2B rings

Brady sucks and this is coming from a New England fan. Ryan Mallet needs to step up.

yeah that might be going to far. I hate brady as much as the next guy but everyone has to admit he is at least a top 3 qb

[Lewina]

Brady sucks and this is coming from a New England fan. Ryan Mallet needs to step up.

yeah that might be going to far. I hate brady as much as the next guy but everyone has to admit he is at least a top 3 qb

He's too old now, he should just retire. He's lost the last three Super Bowls.

[Williamson]

yeah that might be going to far. I hate brady as much as the next guy but everyone has to admit he is at least a top 3 qb

He's too old now, he should just retire. He's lost the last three Super Bowls.

yeah but he stil kept the pats elite even whent they had no d our running game. He is probably the only reason why the pats are stil elite. So now that I think about it he does need to retire, no more pats in the playoffs every year. it would be a dream come true

[Lewina]

He's too old now, he should just retire. He's lost the last three Super Bowls.

yeah but he stil kept the pats elite even whent they had no d our running game. He is probably the only reason why the pats is stil elite. So now that I think about it he does need to retire, no more pats in the playoffs every year. it would be a dreama come true

It all depends on how Ryan Mallet plays though. I think he can be a great Patriot player.

[Lowell Leber]

I think you have overrated Griffin. Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning all put the offenses on their backs. Griffin was pretty much babied for half the season. He was spectacular while being babied, but I think there's something to be said for guys like Luck who were thrown into the fire like he was.

True. Those players I've essentially lumped together, couldn't really decide who is really better than the other

Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and RG3 over Eli?? Really?

[Pope Joan]

True. Those players I've essentially lumped together, couldn't really decide who is really better than the other

Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and RG3 over Eli?? Really?

Thing is, football is a team sport, not individual competition. Good QBs need a good line, good receivers, a good RB. Otherwise they will never shine.
Matt Stafford needs an RB.
I have no idea why team after team ignores the O line, but it hurts people like Big Ben and Michael Vick.

And Eli.

Now the Giants canned Bradshaw, in favor of a kid who fumbles a lot. No more play action passes for you, Eli.

[Idaho Conservatives]

The beast has been unleashed

[Lowell Leber]

Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and RG3 over Eli?? Really?

Thing is, football is a team sport, not individual competition. Good QBs need a good line, good receivers, a good RB. Otherwise they will never shine.
Matt Stafford needs an RB.
I have no idea why team after team ignores the O line, but it hurts people like Big Ben and Michael Vick.

And Eli.

Now the Giants canned Bradshaw, in favor of a kid who fumbles a lot. No more play action passes for you, Eli.

I agree about the improtance (often overlooked by fans) of a good O-Line. And As a fan of Big Blue, I was ticked when they took Fumbleman ove Bradshaw...

[Idaho Conservatives]

I was ticked when they took Fumbleman ove Bradshaw...

As a Cowboys fan, David Wilson scares the shit out of me. There aren't many running backs in the league that have his kind of acceleration and burst to the edge.

[Lowell Leber]

I was ticked when they took Fumbleman ove Bradshaw...

As a Cowboys fan, David Wilson scares the shit out of me. There aren't many running backs in the league that have his kind of acceleration and burst to the edge.

Thats what I thought when we drafted him (even though I wanted "Muscle Hamster" instead), but my God the fumbles just kill us...

[Idaho Conservatives]

As a Cowboys fan, David Wilson scares the shit out of me. There aren't many running backs in the league that have his kind of acceleration and burst to the edge.

Thats what I thought when we drafted him (even though I wanted "Muscle Hamster" instead), but my God the fumbles just kill us...

Ball security can be taught. 4.4 wheels and a ridiculously fast first step can't. When he figures things out, Wilson's gonna be something.

[Lowell Leber]

Thats what I thought when we drafted him (even though I wanted "Muscle Hamster" instead), but my God the fumbles just kill us...

Ball security can be taught. 4.4 wheels and a ridiculously fast first step can't. When he figures things out, Wilson's gonna be something.

I sure hope your right, and I am sure that you hope your wrong....

[Idaho Conservatives]

Ball security can be taught. 4.4 wheels and a ridiculously fast first step can't. When he figures things out, Wilson's gonna be something.

I sure hope your right, and I am sure that you hope your wrong....

Just get a good position coach, and you will have CJ Spiller gamebreaking speed in no time!

[Shadyrya]

RAVENS won the goddamn superbowl bitches! Twelve long years....
I hate typing in mobile so bad.

[Western cuba]

RAVENS won the goddamn superbowl bitches! Twelve long years....
I hate typing in mobile so bad.

Twelve long years? I see your not a Browns or Lions fan.

[Kentsland]

The New York Jets should be added to the poll.

[TaQud]

Even though I voted for Cleveland in the Poll, I think he will go to the Bills because they got a better offense than all of the above except other in the poll...

[Mintu]

I think Smith will end up with either the Bills or the Cardinals; I'm not sure which would be a better fit, but Larry Fitzgerald is Arizona's only plus.

[United States of PA]

I think Arizona or Kansas City in regards to the Poll. I voted for the Cardinals, but those are the only two options i see.

[Ethel mermania]

Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and RG3 over Eli?? Really?

Thing is, football is a team sport, not individual competition. Good QBs need a good line, good receivers, a good RB. Otherwise they will never shine.
Matt Stafford needs an RB.
I have no idea why team after team ignores the O line, but it hurts people like Big Ben and Michael Vick.

And Eli.

Now the Giants canned Bradshaw, in favor of a kid who fumbles a lot. No more play action passes for you, Eli.

he fumbled once, and he did not play a down till like the 11th game. I loved bradshaw but he is not the back he was when he came up, his explosiveness is gone, though to be fair he just had foot surgery, he was 100% most of the season

vick gets killed for a reason, he holds onto the ball way to long,

but other than that i agree with you, most important part of an offense is the line