NFL Off-Season Discussion Thread *Over a year old!*

[Maurepas]

Which is all fine and good, except there is no evidence of the Saints ever doing that at all. Goodell himself has admitted it and come up with lame excuses to hand out his draconian "punishments" anyway.

Even one of the main guys they talk about, Brett Favre says nothing like that was done to him and the Saints didn't go after him anymore than any other team.

Hell, the Saints have one of, if not the, lowest penalty rates in the ENTIRE LEAGUE, and this is the team that's supposedly the devil incarnate? That just doesn't add up.

The players were paid for performance, like every other team, but that's not the same as putting a hit on someone. Which the team never did, and even Goodell is backing away from. There was an ulterior motive to Goodell's actions, and it was keeping the Saints out of the Superbowl so he didn't miss his big payday in Dallas.

you dont think that this is an exageration at all, really

Well I did state it's my personal conspiracy theory. But is it really all that farfetched? The league would stand to make a lot of money on a host city's team playing in the Super Bowl, it stands to reason they'd prefer a larger market team to do it.

[Gaveo]

Alex Karras died. RIP Mongo/Webster's Dad and one of the best Lions of all time.

RIP! Dude!

[Maurepas]

Which is all fine and good, except there is no evidence of the Saints ever doing that at all. Goodell himself has admitted it and come up with lame excuses to hand out his draconian "punishments" anyway.

Even one of the main guys they talk about, Brett Favre says nothing like that was done to him and the Saints didn't go after him anymore than any other team.

Hell, the Saints have one of, if not the, lowest penalty rates in the ENTIRE LEAGUE, and this is the team that's supposedly the devil incarnate? That just doesn't add up.

The players were paid for performance, like every other team, but that's not the same as putting a hit on someone. Which the team never did, and even Goodell is backing away from. There was an ulterior motive to Goodell's actions, and it was keeping the Saints out of the Superbowl so he didn't miss his big payday in Dallas.

That's true, I suppose. But wasn't there an audio tape of a player asking for his money & I thought one of the players admitted it?

Plus the DC (Greg Williams, was the name?) is still banned from the NFL, I don't hear anyone (or him) appealing.

Williams and Payton probably didn't have as much leg to stand on as the Players. The Coaches don't get the same kind of union contracts and the like.

Supposedly Anthony Hargrove admitted it, but he later admitted he was coerced into it.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

you dont think that this is an exageration at all, really

Well I did state it's my personal conspiracy theory. But is it really all that farfetched? The league would stand to make a lot of money on a host city's team playing in the Super Bowl, it stands to reason they'd prefer a larger market team to do it.

your kind of sound like the people who caim the superbowl was rigged though.

[Maurepas]

Well I did state it's my personal conspiracy theory. But is it really all that farfetched? The league would stand to make a lot of money on a host city's team playing in the Super Bowl, it stands to reason they'd prefer a larger market team to do it.

your kind of sound like the people who caim the superbowl was rigged though.

Maybe, but I don't hear anything any more plausible. The supposed bounty system hasn't been proven to exist. Hell, in Fujita's own words he's now being suspended for "not confronting his superiors", what does that even mean? So to me there's only two options, either Goodell is just doing it for fun, or he's doing it for financial gain.

I simply find the latter to be more believable.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

your kind of sound like the people who caim the superbowl was rigged though.

Maybe, but I don't hear anything any more plausible. The supposed bounty system hasn't been proven to exist. Hell, in Fujita's own words he's now being suspended for "not confronting his superiors", what does that even mean? So to me there's only two options, either Goodell is just doing it for fun, or he's doing it for financial gain.

I simply find the latter to be more believable.

or he may have over reacted because everyone went after him for not coming down hard enough on dangerous hits.

[Maurepas]

Maybe, but I don't hear anything any more plausible. The supposed bounty system hasn't been proven to exist. Hell, in Fujita's own words he's now being suspended for "not confronting his superiors", what does that even mean? So to me there's only two options, either Goodell is just doing it for fun, or he's doing it for financial gain.

I simply find the latter to be more believable.

or he may have over reacted because everyone went after him for not coming down hard enough on dangerous hits.

But that doesn't account for the malice with which he's kept the suspensions in place despite the program being nonexistent.

Either way, I'd still say he should be fired as a result, and is the worst commissioner ever. A decent commissioner doesn't cripple a team on a whim or panic.

[Gaveo]

I'll say it first and I think that the Saints are going to lose both of their matches against the Falcons. Go ATL!

[Maurepas]

I'll say it first and I think that the Saints are going to lose both of their matches against the Falcons. Go ATL!

I wouldn't put it in the bag yet. The Saints are still one of the best offenses in the league, and if the Defense can perform at even a mediocre level then New Orleans is definitely in the game. Was the team crippled? Yes, unfairly so, but that doesn't mean it can't still put up a fight, the personnel is just too good on the offensive side.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

I'll say it first and I think that the Saints are going to lose both of their matches against the Falcons. Go ATL!

ever heard of the phrase "any given sunday". there is no such thing as a sure win, just ask the patriots.

[United States of PA]

I read a interesting article earlier.

Someone wrote a article that connected Troy Polamalu's Sprained Achilles Tendon injury in 2010 to his current Calf issues and how he wasnt put on IR to let it heal because we were on the way to the SB. Therefore the inability to let the Tendon heal is now causing weakness in his Calf. If this turns out to be true, i say just put him on Injured Reserve and let him heal up for a year, try to let him Rehab it and become himself again.

On the Saints Note : No evidence has yet to be shown that proves anything Goodell is saying. In 2010 the first game vs the Panthers saw Steve Smith leave with that late hit by Harper (Ankle) but no mention has ever come out of any payments for that hit. The second game, on Nov 7th, saw two players leave for the Panthers, matching the 3 Total players for the season Goodell states.

EEXCEPPPTTTT...................... The second game saw Dan Conner (Linebacker) and Greg Hardy (Defensive End) leave, meaning that two of the three stated injuries for the specific mentioning occurred when none of the suspended players were on the field!!!!! OH MY GOD (que sarcasm)

[United States of PA]

That's true, I suppose. But wasn't there an audio tape of a player asking for his money & I thought one of the players admitted it?

They claimed it was Hargrove, who than said it was Jo-Lonn Dunbar, Than some Forensic's guys proved it wasnt Hargrove's voice, which is why im pretty sure we havent heard much about that recently, because even Goodell isnt dumbass enough to use it.

[Kentsland]

That's true, I suppose. But wasn't there an audio tape of a player asking for his money & I thought one of the players admitted it?

They claimed it was Hargrove, who than said it was Jo-Lonn Dunbar, Than some Forensic's guys proved it wasnt Hargrove's voice, which is why im pretty sure we havent heard much about that recently, because even Goodell isnt dumbass enough to use it.

Oh.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

on a lighter note.....
here are my picks.
curtian
STEELERS over titans
FALCONS over raiders
RAVENS over cowboys
BENGALS over browns, isnt it a little early for them to be on their second matchup of the season
RAMS over fish
COLTS over jets
BUCS over chiefs
PATS over seahawks
VIKINGS over skins
BRONCOS over bolts
guesses
EAGLES over lions
CARDS over bills
49ERS over giants
TEXANS over packers.

[TaQud]

Hopefully I won't have to deal with this "Texans just beat Packers. Can anyone stop them?" talk like did they (ESPN and various analysts from different networks) did with San Francisco earlier, and earlier the 18-1 Patriots...

[Kentsland]

Hopefully I won't have to deal with this "Texans just beat Packers. Can anyone stop them?" talk like did they (ESPN and various analysts from different networks) did with San Francisco earlier, and earlier the 18-1 Patriots...

Those conversations are always way to generic and the same station/show/site (albeit ESPN, NFL Total Access, NFL AM, etc) they say the same damn thing.

[Qazox]

hey taQud!

[Northern Dominus]

hey taQud!

Only in the Madden-verse...

[TaQud]

hey taQud!

[United States of PA]

Steelers Titans
Atlanta Oakland
Baltimore Dallas
Cincinatti Cleveland
Miami St. Louis
Indianapolis Jets
Philadelphia Detroit
Tampa Bay Kansas City
Arizona Buffalo
Seattle New England
Giants 49ers
Minnesota Redskins
Houston Green Bay
Denver San Diego

Bold Denotes winner, aka all teams in the first row.

[TaQud]

steelers over titans
buccaneers over chiefs
colts over jets
eagles over lions
browns over bengals
falcons over raiders Lock of the Week
dolphins over rams
ravens over cowboys
cardinals over bills
patriots over seahawks
giants over 49ers
vikings over redskins
texans over packers
chargers over broncos

[Qazox]

Damn 0-1 again this week. But missing a 54-yarder isn't that bad, but the Steelers, supposedly having one of the better defenses, can't stop the Titans from going 33 yards in 45 seconds??

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I wish the Jets would go with Tim Tebow as their starter.

I miss watching Stephen A. Smith go absolutely beserk over him...

[Qazox]

I wish the Jets would go with Tim Tebow as their starter.

I miss watching Stephen A. Smith go absolutely beserk over him...

but do you miss Skip Bayless doing everything but masterbate to Tebow's name?

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I wish the Jets would go with Tim Tebow as their starter.

I miss watching Stephen A. Smith go absolutely beserk over him...

but do you miss Skip Bayless doing everything but masterbate to Tebow's name?

Well, sure.

It made Stephen even madder.