Worst leader you're RL countries ever had?

[Forster Keys]

Whitlam was a reformer and a great man in my opinion. For all it's problems, he instituted universal healthcare, got rid of execution, made tertiary education free, removed the troops from Vietnam and helped legislate equal pay between men and women. The list goes on. No fault divorce, anti discrimination laws, taking a hard line against Apartheid and a sane line against China, progressive attitude towards Aboriginal affairs...

I see the problem here, too much of a good thing.

Pretty much. What are the detractions here? Um... He got sacked by Kerr?

Also the fact that there were only two minister (himself included) in the government is a bit odd.

[Forster Keys]

Which one? There are so many.

"ITS LAHK BRITAIN, BOI WHICH I REALLY MEAN ENGLAND, LAHK FOUGHT OFF ALL THE NAZIS, COZ LAHK WE'RE LAHK DESCENDED FROM ALL THESE LAHK WARRIOR RACES SUCH AS THE SAXON AN THE NORMANS AN THE VIKINGS, WHICH IS LAHK WHY BASICALLY WE WON WORLD WAR TWO INNIT"

Caring About World War Two And Trying To Feel Proud About Things You Have Not Done: The preserve of cunts.

Was I supposed to read that post in Kelly's voice off of Misfits?

[Thesan]

You're forgetting Giulio "the mole" Andreotti.... "Lavazza" started the italian debt boom during the '80s.. but maybe you're right.... at least he was more serious than "B" (I refuse to pronounce his name ).

Well, Craxi did give a big help in racking up the debt, didn't he...

Oh you're right!! How can I forgot him???
Ok... after DeGasperi and Rumor we had only idiots.....

[Zaras]

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, sunk the country into a second depression in 1937

Caused by following the advice of austerity-happy people and trying to balance the budget. Once he restarted the New Deal it went away.

broke US law multiple times during his presidency

Specific examples please? I can only think of the Japanese-American internment, which isn't really "multiple times".

joined with Stalin against Churchill at Yalta and Tehran to screw over Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe

Yeah, dick move, but do you really think that they could've done anything to help countries Stalin already had occupied with military forces?

We in America are still feeling the financial crush of his presidency 70 years later...

Oh noes, repealing Prohibition, promoting banking reform, securities regulations, creating public works programs to provide employment, passed the Fair Labour Standards Act... what a disaster.

[Zaras]

You're forgetting Giulio "the mole" Andreotti.... "Lavazza" started the italian debt boom during the '80s.. but maybe you're right.... at least he was more serious than "B" (I refuse to pronounce his name ).

Well, Craxi did give a big help in racking up the debt, didn't he...

What about Fernando Tambroni? Almost started a coalition with MSI, and then sent the police to beat down (and kill) protesters in Genoa?

Or... wait, better question: have post-WW2 Italian PMs generally even lasted long enough to distinguish themselves as "worst"?

[Zaras]

I see the problem here, too much of a good thing.

Pretty much. What are the detractions here? Um... He got sacked by Kerr?

Also the fact that there were only two minister (himself included) in the government is a bit odd.

That was only the first government, because he was impatient...

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Margaret Thatcher. Sine dubio.

[Zaras]

Well, Craxi did give a big help in racking up the debt, didn't he...

Oh you're right!! How can I forgot him???
Ok... after DeGasperi and Rumor we had only idiots.....

Moro included?

[Yewhohohopia]

I think historical pride is important.

No, it makes normal people say and do stupid things for the sake of dead people's emotional baggage and contemporary people's love of manipulating an unknowable past.

[Forster Keys]

Margaret Thatcher. Sine dubio.

The second guy's an Italian right?

[Yewhohohopia]

Margaret Thatcher. Sine dubio.

The second guy's an Italian right?

Is that a joke?

[Zaras]

The second guy's an Italian right?

Is that a joke?

Ah, yes, I remember the Sine Dubio administration. He was in there a few hours between Fanfani and Scelba, right?

[Forster Keys]

The second guy's an Italian right?

Is that a joke?

I try.

[Thesan]

The second guy's an Italian right?

Is that a joke?

it's latin means "without doubt"....

[Yewhohohopia]

"ITS LAHK BRITAIN, BOI WHICH I REALLY MEAN ENGLAND, LAHK FOUGHT OFF ALL THE NAZIS, COZ LAHK WE'RE LAHK DESCENDED FROM ALL THESE LAHK WARRIOR RACES SUCH AS THE SAXON AN THE NORMANS AN THE VIKINGS, WHICH IS LAHK WHY BASICALLY WE WON WORLD WAR TWO INNIT"

Caring About World War Two And Trying To Feel Proud About Things You Have Not Done: The preserve of cunts.

Was I supposed to read that post in Kelly's voice off of Misfits?

No idea, don't watch Misfits. Was more thinking "thick as shit builder from Essex with nothing interesting to say about anything at all".

[Meowfoundland]

In Australia, Whitlam is often viewed as the worst in a historic perspective.
Whitlam is the only Prime Minister (altho that position does not exist) that was dismissed by the govenor general due to the inablity to function in government after three years and several scandals.

Whitlam was a reformer and a great man in my opinion. For all it's problems, he instituted universal healthcare, got rid of execution, made tertiary education free, removed the troops from Vietnam and helped legislate equal pay between men and women. The list goes on. No fault divorce, anti discrimination laws, taking a hard line against Apartheid and a sane line against China, progressive attitude towards Aboriginal affairs...

The economy was crap though, as my father tells me.

[Forster Keys]

Is that a joke?

Ah, yes, I remember the Sine Dubio administration. He was in there a few hours between Fanfani and Scelba, right?

And Bunga Bunga was his scandal-ridden deputy.

[Yewhohohopia]

Is that a joke?

it's latin means "without doubt"....

Oh, thanks for telling me a thing I absolutely did not know or could not work out.

[Hippostania]

Face it, some concessions had to be made in what was Finland's most challenging period since the Winter War. And no, if we gave a middle finger to the Soviets, they would've invaded us. Like they did with Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Would you have liked that? Of course not.

If the Soviets had invaded a NATO-member, it would've ended in a nuclear war. Finland could've been truly free instead of the 40-year period of semi-puppet stagnation

Yes, I know. Unfortunately elections such as the 1978 election were merely a show and it made Kekkonen look somewhat like an autocrat, but it still doesn't change the fact that he saved Finland from a likely enemy.

By turning Finland into a Soviet puppet.

Like it or love it, that isn't criminal. And they didn't sell our independence, they worked with the Soviet Union until we could be sure they didn't pose a threat to our sovereignty. Really, they saved Finland's independence. Fagerholm would have given the Soviets our sovereignty.

And why do we have to be in NATO to be a part of the west? Our neutrality is a good thing.

He did. We could've been a true part of the West, one could've criticized the Soviets without destroying his entire career and so on. With NATO, we could've said ''fuck you'' to the Soviets and they could've done nothing.

[Forster Keys]

Was I supposed to read that post in Kelly's voice off of Misfits?

No idea, don't watch Misfits. Was more thinking "thick as shit builder from Essex with nothing interesting to say about anything at all".

Never been to Essex, but it seems similar enough.

[Chemaki]

Romania: Oh, god, throw a rock, most of our leaders have been either indistinguished or incompetent. I guess special recognitions are due to king Carol II (suspended the Constitution in 1938 in favour of becoming an authoritarian prick, basically helped push the country into the Axis camp), Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej and Nicolae Ceauşescu (fanatical, oppressive Stalinist and ax crazy fuckhead post-1971 who intentionally exposed Romanians to shortages and starvation to pay off national debts, bulldozed huge parts of Bucharest and other cities, caused a baby boom which ended up with many of them in orphanages...), and Ion Iliescu (sent miners to brutally beat up protestors in University Square in June 1990. Transition to democracy? What's that?)
UK: Modern history-wise, I'd tie it between Anthony Eden (Suez War... such a brilliant idea) and Margaret Thatcher.

Yay! Another Romanian who lives in the UK. I'd say Ceauşescu was the worst, being batshit insane and evil, but Iliescu was pretty fucking bad. It's rough being a 90's Romanian. :/

[Forster Keys]

Whitlam was a reformer and a great man in my opinion. For all it's problems, he instituted universal healthcare, got rid of execution, made tertiary education free, removed the troops from Vietnam and helped legislate equal pay between men and women. The list goes on. No fault divorce, anti discrimination laws, taking a hard line against Apartheid and a sane line against China, progressive attitude towards Aboriginal affairs...

The economy was crap though, as my father tells me.

An article I read cited OPEC playing silly buggers with oil prices for that. Twas the same cross the world.

[Zaras]

Face it, some concessions had to be made in what was Finland's most challenging period since the Winter War. And no, if we gave a middle finger to the Soviets, they would've invaded us. Like they did with Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Would you have liked that? Of course not.

If the Soviets had invaded a NATO-member, it would've ended in a nuclear war. Finland could've been truly free instead of the 40-year period of semi-puppet stagnation.

Okay, you're the first person I ever heard to use the term "stagnation". Everything else I've read says Finland grew/developed economically very fast, and it only hit a massive speedbump with the end of the Cold War, from about 1990-1993ish.

[Zaras]

Romania: Oh, god, throw a rock, most of our leaders have been either indistinguished or incompetent. I guess special recognitions are due to king Carol II (suspended the Constitution in 1938 in favour of becoming an authoritarian prick, basically helped push the country into the Axis camp), Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej and Nicolae Ceauşescu (fanatical, oppressive Stalinist and ax crazy fuckhead post-1971 who intentionally exposed Romanians to shortages and starvation to pay off national debts, bulldozed huge parts of Bucharest and other cities, caused a baby boom which ended up with many of them in orphanages...), and Ion Iliescu (sent miners to brutally beat up protestors in University Square in June 1990. Transition to democracy? What's that?)
UK: Modern history-wise, I'd tie it between Anthony Eden (Suez War... such a brilliant idea) and Margaret Thatcher.

Yay! Another Romanian who lives in the UK. I'd say Ceauşescu was the worst, being batshit insane and evil, but Iliescu was pretty fucking bad. It's rough being a 90's Romanian. :/

Hi there! I'm not in the UK right now, but when I get back to uni y'wanna try meeting up or something?

I didn't experience it first-hand though, since I wasn't yet born when the first Mineriad happened. Ceauşescu almost makes Gheorghiu-Dej look sane. And, of course, Antonescu is another obvious choice (Nazi-puppet evil fascist).

[Itanica]

Which one? There are so many.

"ITS LAHK BRITAIN, BOI WHICH I REALLY MEAN ENGLAND, LAHK FOUGHT OFF ALL THE NAZIS, COZ LAHK WE'RE LAHK DESCENDED FROM ALL THESE LAHK WARRIOR RACES SUCH AS THE SAXON AN THE NORMANS AN THE VIKINGS, WHICH IS LAHK WHY BASICALLY WE WON WORLD WAR TWO INNIT"

Caring About World War Two And Trying To Feel Proud About Things You Have Not Done: The preserve of cunts.

You seem upset.