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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:14 pm

Coming from a conservative family, I say it's ignorance & greed.

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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:14 pm

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Socialist EU wrote:
To what purpose?



How is struggling to become rich and "successful", then not making striking it rich and "successful" not masochistic?

1. Because it inspires debate. And satire is just plain fun.
2. I suppose masochism is an okay working definition, but most people prefer "ambition" or "hope".


1.Evidently not very successful.
2. Yeah, most people are sucked into the ruling ideas, the ambition or hope to be higher up in the hierarchy, :roll: rather than politically struggle for the improvement, democratic leadership of our class and eventual human liberation.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:14 pm

ImperialistSalvia wrote:Coming from a conservative family, I say it's ignorance & greed.

For a Second I thought you were blaming me.
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Postby Revolutopia » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:17 pm

greed and death wrote:
ImperialistSalvia wrote:Coming from a conservative family, I say it's ignorance & greed.

For a Second I thought you were blaming me.


Have you been tampering with the voting machines again GnD?
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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:17 pm

ImperialistSalvia wrote:Coming from a conservative family, I say it's ignorance & greed.


Social ImperialistSalvia :eyebrow:

'The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force'

The German Ideology Marx
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/wo ... /ch01b.htm

Besides which, as I said earlier, there are more non-voters, something the OP has overlooked.
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Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:20 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:why are the people in the lower left corner so tiny?

They're this subspecies of human called.... children.

bad proportions for children.
whatever

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:29 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Saluterre wrote:They draw support from the religious, the uneducated, and some rural citizens, with whom their socially conservative ideas carry weight.


Exit Polls for Elections of the U.S. House of Representatives (Level of Education)

Not a high school graduate

1984: 60% Democrat
1986: 57% Democrat
1988: 63% Democrat
1990: 60% Democrat
1992: 67% Democrat
1994: 58% Democrat
1996: 65% Democrat
1998: 58% Democrat
2000: 58% Democrat
2002: 63% Democrat
2004: Tie between parties
2006: 64% Democrat
2008: 69% Democrat
2010: 61% Democrat

TOTAL: 13 Democrats, 1 tie

College graduate
1984: Tie between parties
1986: 54% Republican
1988: 53% Republican
1990: Tie between parties
1992: 54% Republican
1994: 55% Republican
1996: 57% Republican
1998: 55% Republican
2000: 54% Republican
2002: 58% Republican
2004: 53% Republican
2006: Tie between parties
2008: 51% Democrat
2010: 58% Republican

TOTAL: 10 Republicans, 1 Democrat, 3 ties

Source: The New York Times

why didnt you use postgraduate vote? there are far more of them than the non highschool graduates and they vote consistently democratic. the only time they voted more often republican was 1992
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:33 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
HATRED OF GOVERNMENT: it is a long standing tradition in this country to hate the government and be suspicious of its motives. it has been so in many areas since the founding of the republic. since FDR the democrats have been the official party of big government. since LBJ turned the democrats into the party of civil rights, since ronald reagan made "liberal" a dirty word and proclaimed that "government is the problem", since grover norquist declared that republicans want to make government so small that you can drown it in the bathtub, it hasnt mattered WHAT the 2 parties stand for. if you are suspicious of the government and its motives you are a republican.

thats a big chunk of this country who are pandered to with anti-government talking points. it doesnt matter if they are on social security and medicare and their children and grandchildren will only ever have insurance through the efforts of the democrats in congress, they dont like the government and wont vote democratic.

Personally, I distrust government to a high degree, yet in no way do I support the Republican party.

are you a democrat?
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Postby Ellsland » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:33 pm

Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:34 pm

Katganistan wrote:
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I don't really agree. Blacks and gays aren't lynched like the old days. Barry Goldwater ring a bell.... They are not more extreme today.

Are you serious?
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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:35 pm

Ellsland wrote:Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:


Then will you vote some other party?
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:37 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Ellsland wrote:Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:


Then will you vote some other party?


i wanna create my own party but there seems to be a lot of bullshit involved
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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:39 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Ellsland wrote:Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:


Then will you vote some other party?


I guess not, since like me, you're not American.
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:39 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Socialist EU wrote:
Then will you vote some other party?


i wanna create my own party but there seems to be a lot of bullshit involved


Vote for the GOP then. :roll:
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Postby North Calaveras » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:42 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
i wanna create my own party but there seems to be a lot of bullshit involved


Vote for the GOP then. :roll:


everytime i do that i feel like im shoving more shit into americans throat
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:42 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Personally, I distrust government to a high degree, yet in no way do I support the Republican party.

are you a democrat?

Nope. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I typically identify as Left Libertarian.
My literal party identification is No Party Affiliation.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:44 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:are you a democrat?

Nope. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I typically identify as Left Libertarian.
My literal party identification is No Party Affiliation.


do you vote republican?

being even farther to the crazy right doesnt negate my point.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:46 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:Nope. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I typically identify as Left Libertarian.
My literal party identification is No Party Affiliation.


do you vote republican?

being even farther to the crazy right doesnt negate my point.

This'll be the first election I'm eligible to vote in. ^^; Nonetheless, I have not the least bit of desire or intention to vote Republican.

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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:50 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
do you vote republican?

being even farther to the crazy right doesnt negate my point.

This'll be the first election I'm eligible to vote in. ^^; Nonetheless, I have not the least bit of desire or intention to vote Republican.


Good for you, I take it you'll choose wisely. :)
Egypt:
Spontaneous protests will not produce organisation, it is more likely to lead to an oppressive clampdown! There needs to be a long-term strategy to build the left towards..
-mass parties of the left
-mass trade unions
-mass left-wing publications

Europe
For a United socialist Europe under democratic working class rule.
For the unity of the working class across Europe and eventually* take power.
*'Towards a communist party of the EU'

Britain
For a voluntary federated democratic republic.

Scotland
Abstain on independence referendum, Salmond wants to keep within the union!

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Americans, Romney or Obama?

Postby Ellsland » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:58 pm

Do you want the newly released white version of Obama, or the original smooth black? It's a tough choice, really. Who do you want to represent those that steal your freedoms one by one? Romney has a pretty nice hairline, but it's already grey so you need to consider what it will look like once he is done with even his 1st term. Obama often has a semi-clueless looking smile, while Romney has that condescending "I know all" smile. They also oftentimes wear different colored ties. This is a big election! However, I'm going to have to go with the nerdy old man (Ron Paul). If you seriously believe there is any difference between the parties, just look at the overall voting records of each individual politician. They'll always disagree on the issues that don't really matter, but when it comes to foreign, domestic, or monetary policy - same thing, different label. They'll get you all hung up on whether or not weed should be legalized, & they have you debating among each other for years over who should be allowed to get married to who, but when it comes to us actually having a right to trial, they all agree we shouldn't (NDAA - National Defense Authorization Act, recently passed).

I do live in America. Florida, actually.

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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:02 pm

Ellsland wrote:Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:


Replacing the electoral college system with a party-list, preferential system using the popular vote as the basis for determining the chief executive and electing our congressional representatives proportionally with a voting threshold of about 3-5% should fix that two-party system right up and free up the party platforms from the influence of the median voter theorem.

You'd see both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party shatter into a million pieces. That would fix the problem you're lamenting right away. Now, as for the odds of those things actually happening.... :unsure:
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Postby Ellsland » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:07 pm

Socialdemokraterne wrote:
Ellsland wrote:Republicrat/Democran one party system. :palm:


Replacing the electoral college system with a party-list, preferential system using the popular vote as the basis for determining the chief executive and electing our congressional representatives proportionally with a voting threshold of about 3-5% should fix that two-party system right up and free up the party platforms from the influence of the median voter theorem.

You'd see both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party shatter into a million pieces. That would fix the problem you're lamenting right away. Now, as for the odds of those things actually happening.... :unsure:


Interesting concept. Either way, I'll always vote on principal, not party. Politics aren't a sport & the results are a very serious matter. I vote, but I also like to keep my ammo press going at a steady pace since most states now use computer voting machines.

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Postby Simon Cowell of the RR » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:12 pm

Socialist EU wrote:
Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:1. Because it inspires debate. And satire is just plain fun.
2. I suppose masochism is an okay working definition, but most people prefer "ambition" or "hope".


1.Evidently not very successful.
2. Yeah, most people are sucked into the ruling ideas, the ambition or hope to be higher up in the hierarchy, :roll: rather than politically struggle for the improvement, democratic leadership of our class and eventual human liberation.

1. The sig. Other people got it. You didn't.
2. Some important Roman, I want to say Seneca, said that democracy dies when people manipulate it for personal, material, gain.
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Postby Khadgar » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:14 pm

Ellsland wrote:Do you want the newly released white version of Obama, or the original smooth black? It's a tough choice, really. Who do you want to represent those that steal your freedoms one by one? Romney has a pretty nice hairline, but it's already grey so you need to consider what it will look like once he is done with even his 1st term. Obama often has a semi-clueless looking smile, while Romney has that condescending "I know all" smile. They also oftentimes wear different colored ties. This is a big election! However, I'm going to have to go with the nerdy old man (Ron Paul). If you seriously believe there is any difference between the parties, just look at the overall voting records of each individual politician. They'll always disagree on the issues that don't really matter, but when it comes to foreign, domestic, or monetary policy - same thing, different label. They'll get you all hung up on whether or not weed should be legalized, & they have you debating among each other for years over who should be allowed to get married to who, but when it comes to us actually having a right to trial, they all agree we shouldn't (NDAA - National Defense Authorization Act, recently passed).

I do live in America. Florida, actually.


Why vote for the lesser or two evils when there's an insane third eh?

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Postby Simon Cowell of the RR » Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:26 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Ellsland wrote:Do you want the newly released white version of Obama, or the original smooth black? It's a tough choice, really. Who do you want to represent those that steal your freedoms one by one? Romney has a pretty nice hairline, but it's already grey so you need to consider what it will look like once he is done with even his 1st term. Obama often has a semi-clueless looking smile, while Romney has that condescending "I know all" smile. They also oftentimes wear different colored ties. This is a big election! However, I'm going to have to go with the nerdy old man (Ron Paul). If you seriously believe there is any difference between the parties, just look at the overall voting records of each individual politician. They'll always disagree on the issues that don't really matter, but when it comes to foreign, domestic, or monetary policy - same thing, different label. They'll get you all hung up on whether or not weed should be legalized, & they have you debating among each other for years over who should be allowed to get married to who, but when it comes to us actually having a right to trial, they all agree we shouldn't (NDAA - National Defense Authorization Act, recently passed).

I do live in America. Florida, actually.


Why vote for the lesser or two evils when there's an insane third eh?

I'm just going to assume the original post was satire. But I agree, though, that as many people should vote for Ron Paul as possible.
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