How does the GOP maintain the level of support they do?

[Hippostania]

Exactly! The government's primary concern should be the well being of the people. Thus I propose we get health care and get rid of the military, intlligence agencies, boarder patrol and all that good stuff, as that's where the government doesn't belong.

The government's duty is to protect people's liberty, property and pursuit to happiness. Military, police and judicial system is needed for this. Healthcare is not.

Honestly, to make that argument, you have to explain WHY the government doesn't belong there because I certainly can explain why. (Has to do with the government protecting the right to healthcare (which is widely considered a BASIC human right)).

Healthcare is not a right, as it still violates someone else's rights. Only freedoms that do not violate other people's right to liberty, property and pursuit of happiness as I mentioned before are true freedoms. These include freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and so on. These DO NOT include ''entitlement to healthcare'', ''entitlement to food stamps'' or ''entitlement to a new Ferrari''.

[Frisivisia]

People like lower taxes, and they want the government to spend money responsibly.

Most Americans agree with the social views of the Republican Party.

Many people do not want to live in a nanny state.

Etc.

That's funny because most Americans are Democrats, they just don't show up as well to the polls. Imagine that, there are non-white Americans.

[The UK in Exile]

Because insurance companies are already jacking up prices to the nth degree. No one "buys" private insurance, it is mostly sold to businesses who give that to their workers, leaving the poor and middle class without healthcare. This idea that people COULD buy their own insurance is completely false.

Supply and demand, my friend. The government cuts down all useless programs it shouldn't have in the first place and millions of people start searching for personal health insurance. Companies notice the excess demand and establish personal health insurance deals. Erryone's happy.

supplying everyone except sick people.

Ironically, the ones who need it, then again its their fault their sick. right?

[North Calaveras]

People like lower taxes, and they want the government to spend money responsibly.

Most Americans agree with the social views of the Republican Party.

Many people do not want to live in a nanny state.

Etc.

That's funny because most Americans are Democrats, they just don't show up as well to the polls. Imagine that, there are non-white Americans.

whow that was rascist...

[Frisivisia]

Exactly! The government's primary concern should be the well being of the people. Thus I propose we get health care and get rid of the military, intlligence agencies, boarder patrol and all that good stuff, as that's where the government doesn't belong.

The government's duty is to protect people's liberty, property and pursuit to happiness. Military, police and judicial system is needed for this. Healthcare is not.

Honestly, to make that argument, you have to explain WHY the government doesn't belong there because I certainly can explain why. (Has to do with the government protecting the right to healthcare (which is widely considered a BASIC human right)).

Healthcare is not a right, as it still violates someone else's rights. Only freedoms that do not violate other people's right to liberty, property and pursuit of happiness as I mentioned before are true freedoms. These include freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and so on. These DO NOT include ''entitlement to healthcare'', ''entitlement to food stamps'' or ''entitlement to a new Ferrari''.

Entitlement to healthcare is part of human rights, and how does healthcare impede on the rights of another person?

[Frisivisia]

That's funny because most Americans are Democrats, they just don't show up as well to the polls. Imagine that, there are non-white Americans.

whow that was rascist...

How so?

[Virabia]

Hippostania. Wanna take a trip to Somalia? It's a paradise. No government! Just the steady hand of the good old free market. You'll love it. I'll even set you up with a flat and EVERYTHING!

Dumb@sses like you have the AUDACITY to get pissed at people for misrepresenting whatever the hell you believe in? Strawman central station!!! I don't know how warring gang factions (which are really warring authoritarian states) are a market concept.

I'm not pissed. I'm offering him a friendly outing to Somalia!

[Frisivisia]

Supply and demand, my friend. The government cuts down all useless programs it shouldn't have in the first place and millions of people start searching for personal health insurance. Companies notice the excess demand and establish personal health insurance deals. Erryone's happy.

supplying everyone except sick people.

Ironically, the ones who need it, then again its their fault their sick. right?

We should let the free market decide who dies.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Because the alternative sucks too do they pick one issue and go of that.

Also it looks as if it is becoming more sane over time.

I lol'd. The GOP gets more extremist and INsane over time. You made my day though.

I don't really agree. Blacks and gays aren't lynched like the old days. Barry Goldwater ring a bell.... They are not more extreme today.

[TaQud]

That's funny because most Americans are Democrats, they just don't show up as well to the polls. Imagine that, there are non-white Americans.

How so?

that

[Silent Majority]

The government's duty is to protect people's liberty, property and pursuit to happiness. Military, police and judicial system is needed for this. Healthcare is not.

You are neither free nor happy if you are dead.

[Hippostania]

Entitlement to healthcare is part of human rights, and how does healthcare impede on the rights of another person?

This was discussed pages ago. Whose money is used to pay for the healthcare? The people's money, who did not give their consent. I'd be okay if the government would provide healthcare and would fund it with donations. No tax money. Just donations.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Dumb@sses like you have the AUDACITY to get pissed at people for misrepresenting whatever the hell you believe in? Strawman central station!!! I don't know how warring gang factions (which are really warring authoritarian states) are a market concept.

I'm not pissed. I'm offering him a friendly outing to Somalia!

Cool at least acknowledge it is a tribal faction state, not a market

[North Calaveras]

Entitlement to healthcare is part of human rights, and how does healthcare impede on the rights of another person?

This was discussed pages ago. Whose money is used to pay for the healthcare? The people's money, who did not give their consent. I'd be okay if the government would provide healthcare and would fund it with donations. No tax money. Just donations.

agreed

though, the health care thing is iffy on me, i like very little government, i suppose I could get behind national healthcare if a ton of other programs were cut.

[Frisivisia]

How so?

that

I was merely pointing out (quite poorly, my apologies) that non-white people tend to vote democratic, and people like him generally think that most of America is in support of the GOP because most "real Americans" who live in the heartland are white. I probably miswrote and thought something without typing it, so this might come out wrong, feel free to point out logical failures so I can patch them.

[Christian Democrats]

I lol'd. The GOP gets more extremist and INsane over time. You made my day though.

I don't really agree. Blacks and gays aren't lynched like the old days. Barry Goldwater ring a bell.... They are not more extreme today.

The gay community supported Senator Goldwater.

[Avenio]

This was discussed pages ago. Whose money is used to pay for the healthcare? The people's money, who did not give their consent.

Alrighty then. Let's abolish the US military. I bet a lot of people don't consent to their tax dollars going towards it. Or the CIA, or the TSA, etc etc.

[AustriaHungaryBohemia]

Healthcare is not a right, as it still violates someone else's rights. Only freedoms that do not violate other people's right to liberty, property and pursuit of happiness as I mentioned before are true freedoms. These include freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and so on. These DO NOT include ''entitlement to healthcare'', ''entitlement to food stamps'' or ''entitlement to a new Ferrari''.

Your constant equating of basic needs such as food and basic medical care to a Ferrari speaks of a worrying lack of life experience.

[New Densaner]

*Fear
*Dishonesty
*Rich supporters
*First past the post electoral system
*Innate Conservatism of the American people

[Frisivisia]

Entitlement to healthcare is part of human rights, and how does healthcare impede on the rights of another person?

This was discussed pages ago. Whose money is used to pay for the healthcare? The people's money, who did not give their consent. I'd be okay if the government would provide healthcare and would fund it with donations. No tax money. Just donations.

So we should stop funding the military because people did not choose to be defended. They can just hire their own guard, right?

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Eveone here has neglected that the most capitalist places on earth are the ones that AREN'T dead from lack of healthcare.

If it wasn't for the market there would be NO healthcare. Other than tree bark maybe.

[Frisivisia]

I lol'd. The GOP gets more extremist and INsane over time. You made my day though.

I don't really agree. Blacks and gays aren't lynched like the old days. Barry Goldwater ring a bell.... They are not more extreme today.

"If you want an abortion, you need a doctor to shame you first"
"Mexicans have to carry their papers around, or risk deportation"

These are GOP ideas, which have both been implemented. There's more, I'll find 'em.

[Frisivisia]

Eveone here has neglected that the most capitalist places on earth are the ones that AREN'T dead from lack of healthcare.

If it wasn't for the market there would be NO healthcare. Other than tree bark maybe.

Let's see, most capitalist places...

You have Somalia, they're doing fine. China's people are doing fantastic, as is normal. Oh, and the good ole U.S. of A, we have one of the worst systems on a planet. If I remember correctly, CNN did a report on Healthcare, and was told by several experts that the US Healthcare policy was the opposite of how to do things.

[Virabia]

Hippostania. What the fuck is Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of Happiness. Where the fuck did that come from. Read the mother fucking Declaration of Independence. ITS LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. There is no property ANYWHERE in that statement but, there is LIFE. Which, guess what, healthcare provides. Now I have no idea how you can believe what you do. How you can think that people don't deserve to feel well, how people don't deserve food and water. Perhaps if you LIVED A MOTHERFUCKING DAY where those weren't guaranteed, you'd change your mind. Perhaps if you lived a DAY where you went thirsty because there's no clean water accessable, then you would see how inhumane your viewpoints. NOT EVERYTHING exists for profit. Somethings are and should be done for the good of the people, for their happiness you might say. Because at the end of the day, does it matter if you pay an extra 2% in tax and have that go to help someone in dire need. What will you spend that money on? Perhaps that new ferrari that you won't let go of?

Honestly, I think the reason you don't see these things as rights is because they haven't affected you. Thus, I hope that when you or someone else you care about gets sick, they are denied coverage. Left to die unless they can pay an absurd fee for something so basic? I hope that perhaps in your agony you will see that you are so clearly wrong. Then again perhaps that's too much. Fact is, you're just an asshole. A mother fucking asshole who doesn't care for the strife of other people.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Healthcare is not a right, as it still violates someone else's rights. Only freedoms that do not violate other people's right to liberty, property and pursuit of happiness as I mentioned before are true freedoms. These include freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of association and so on. These DO NOT include ''entitlement to healthcare'', ''entitlement to food stamps'' or ''entitlement to a new Ferrari''.

Your constant equating of basic needs such as food and basic medical care to a Ferrari speaks of a worrying lack of life experience.

You seem to have this idea that if it wasnt for big bwuther government taking care of its helpless, vulnerable, stupid cattle citizens, they would STARVE and, and, and DIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Um no. I would be my ass that no more than a handful of people died from starvation EVEN IN THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

Meanwhile millions dead in the ussr, the exemplification of "state benevolence" and "social safety nets".