How does the GOP maintain the level of support they do?

[Ifreann]

Since so many people are saying that one side is more evil than Satan than the other, I'd like submit my thought on how the U.S. will collapse with one simple word: economics.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

That's some nice complete irrelevancy you've got there.

[Norstal]

Since so many people are saying that one side is more evil than Satan than the other, I'd like submit my thought on how the U.S. will collapse with one simple word: economics.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

What is Red Herring? For $1000, Trebec.

[Katganistan]

What, and the way to avoid saddling people with debt is to basically privatise things like education and healthcare?

Yeah, personal debt racked up at high interest rates is all fine and dandy, but effectively borrowing for people at exceptionally low rates on the international markets is totally irresponsible. Yes. Excellent thinking, there.

And nothing keeps debt down like going to war half way around the world for the lulz.

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep? The company that got it s $7 billion dollar contract with the US without letting any other companies bid?

[Ifreann]

And nothing keeps debt down like going to war half way around the world for the lulz.

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep?

Coincidence, I'm sure.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

And nothing keeps debt down like going to war half way around the world for the lulz.

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep? The company that got it s $7 billion dollar contract with the US without letting any other companies bid?

Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

[Katganistan]

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep?

Coincidence, I'm sure.

Iffry, I dunno what happened.... my sarcasm detector just melted.

[Hippostania]

Easy to support them when you don't live here, Hippo.

Easy for you to support the stuff the Democrats are trying to achieve as you haven't seen them in practice, Katty

Or did you mean that I can't support the Republicans simply because I don't live in the US? If that's what you meant, then true. But I still support their ideals and policies, even though I don't officially support the party per se.

[Vitius]

I think that they're largely popular among the "THIS IS 'MERICA" group, the group that doesn't hear about those bills or limitations, the group that favors saving money (le tax cuts) above all else, etc.

[New England and The Maritimes]

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep? The company that got it s $7 billion dollar contract with the US without letting any other companies bid?

Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

When making a ruling on what does and doesn't violate forum rules, yeah. Kat's politics have no bearing on whether or not calling someone a faggot piece of shit asshole who should die in a fire is flaming.

[Katganistan]

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep? The company that got it s $7 billion dollar contract with the US without letting any other companies bid?

Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

I suggest if you are unfamiliar with how the site works, you should read this.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

I suggest if you are unfamiliar with how the site works, you should read this.

I already have. It makes no mention on neutrality.

[Vitius]

But it SURE made a shitload of money for defense contractors and HALLIBURTON. You know, the company Old Dick "shoot 'em in the face" Cheney was CEO of before being Veep? The company that got it s $7 billion dollar contract with the US without letting any other companies bid?

Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

We're fortunate to have moderators that aren't very..hmm..posh? Stuck-up? I don't know.

Point is, our mods often engage in debates and have their own viewpoints. You won't get in trouble if you have opposing views, you'll get in trouble if you break the rules.

[Ashmoria]

a grain of truth doesnt change it from being a lie. the best lies all contain a grain of truth.

Well the difference is framing.
If you define tax as the federal income and define Fica as a mandatory insurance payment ( as many mandate supporters did prior to the case when they wished to suggest a ruling against them could jeopardize Social security) then it is perfectly true to say Group X pays no tax.

no

only if you put the qualifiers in the statement is it anything but a lie.

misleading people in a kind of lying.

[Greed and Death]

1. Scare tactics.
2. Preys on people who don't understand economics.
3. Money.

Lots and lots of money.

It buys lots and lots of disinformation.

Look at who owns the "liberal" media outlets too.

and let's not forget "Christian" broadcasting, with its built-in political agenda!

I applaud the GOP for making politics about money and power. Democracy is too important for people.

[Ifreann]

Coincidence, I'm sure.

Iffry, I dunno what happened.... my sarcasm detector just melted.

I've heard of them exploding, but I don't think they're meant to melt. I wouldn't breathe the fumes, if I were you.

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Sorry to take a break from the conversation here, I'm unfamiliar with how this site works. Are mods required to be neutral on this site?

When making a ruling on what does and doesn't violate forum rules, yeah. Kat's politics have no bearing on whether or not calling someone a faggot piece of shit asshole who should die in a fire is flaming.

PROTIP: It is.

[Katganistan]

Easy to support them when you don't live here, Hippo.

Easy for you to support the stuff the Democrats are trying to achieve as you haven't seen them in practice, Katty

Or did you mean that I can't support the Republicans simply because I don't live in the US? If that's what you meant, then true. But I still support their ideals and policies, even though I don't officially support the party per se.

Don't be condescending. I have seen what the Democrats are trying to achieve -- some I support, some I don't. They've achieved little of it because of Republican obstructionism -- you know, like NOT allowing bills on flood insurance to pass because preventing some women from having an abortion is SO much more important. But fucking over the majority of the country's working class, forcing religious ideals on everyone, trying to keep making the richest people richer by letting them steal from the middle class and poor -- that's what the GOP supports. They loved all the bank deregulation -- want to deregulate everything -- and when things go wrong they shrug their shoulders because THEY don't end up on the streets -- the people who trusted their Wall Street Antics do.

And the Republicans want to dismantle Social Security and force everyone to play on the Stock Markets whose irresponsible practices, along with the almighty bankers and their subprime mortgages, helped to crash the world economy? It's sheer insanity.

[Threlizdun]

Primarily it is due to our complete and utter refusal to learn from past mistakes.

[Katganistan]

I suggest if you are unfamiliar with how the site works, you should read this.

I already have. It makes no mention on neutrality.

Then apparently you did not read it carefully.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

I already have. It makes no mention on neutrality.

Then apparently you did not read it carefully.

I suppose I didn't.

[Greed and Death]

Well the difference is framing.
If you define tax as the federal income and define Fica as a mandatory insurance payment ( as many mandate supporters did prior to the case when they wished to suggest a ruling against them could jeopardize Social security) then it is perfectly true to say Group X pays no tax.

no

only if you put the qualifiers in the statement is it anything but a lie.

misleading people in a kind of lying.

No it is a matter of prospective, aka a Jedi truth, further qualifiers are waste time in a public debate filled with 30 second sounds bites. You are allowed to advocate minus the qualifiers. If FICA was not present and the poor only paid sales tax no one would blink.

Besides it is far more honest then when the democrats claim they are advocating for healthcare as fundamental right. No one when they thick about it really means that, it is just an impressive sound bite.

[Ashmoria]

no

only if you put the qualifiers in the statement is it anything but a lie.

misleading people in a kind of lying.

No it is a matter of prospective, aka a Jedi truth, further qualifiers are waste time in a public debate filled with 30 second sounds bites. You are allowed to advocate minus the qualifiers. If FICA was not present and the poor only paid sales tax no one would blink.

Besides it is far more honest then when the democrats claim they are advocating for healthcare as fundamental right. No one when they thick about it really means that, it is just an impressive sound bite.

dishonest is dishonest.

[Hippostania]

They've achieved little of it because of Republican obstructionism -- you know, like NOT allowing bills on flood insurance to pass because preventing some women from having an abortion is SO much more important.

Politics is about compromising. If the Democrats won't compromise, neither will the Republicans.

But fucking over the majority of the country's working class

Please explain how cutting regulations so it's more affordable for companies to hire new workers is ''fucking over the working class''. The Republicans are trying to help the working class, while the Democrats are trying to strangle the employers with regulations to make sure that they can't hire anyone.

forcing religious ideals on everyone,

This one I admit. It sucks.

trying to keep making the richest people richer by letting them steal from the middle class and poor

As opposed to Democrats who want to steal from the rich to fund some project America can't afford.

They loved all the bank deregulation -- want to deregulate everything -- and when things go wrong they shrug their shoulders because THEY don't end up on the streets -- the people who trusted their Wall Street Antics do.

Are you saying that regulation is good? Regulation is exactly what is keeping the economy in such a sorry state.

And the Republicans want to dismantle Social Security

I thought you were supposed to list reasons why the Republicans are bad..?

and force everyone to play on the Stock Markets whose irresponsible practices, along with the almighty bankers and their subprime mortgages, helped to crash the world economy? It's sheer insanity.

It's much better than forcing everyone trust the big, bloated, inefficient and bureaucracy-chocking government the Democrats want to create.

[Sedgistan]

You'll find plenty of that on NS. The forums are full of dim leftists.

Your record has been nice and clean for a number of months now. Please keep it that way, because your comment above it verging on trolling. I'm giving you an unofficial warning for now, but you'd be advised to tone down your rhetoric and re-familiarise yourself with the rules again.

[Khadgar]

They've achieved little of it because of Republican obstructionism -- you know, like NOT allowing bills on flood insurance to pass because preventing some women from having an abortion is SO much more important.

Politics is about compromising. If the Democrats won't compromise, neither will the Republicans.

Like how the Democrats bent over backwards and all but surrendered during the debt ceiling debacle, Boehner proudly proclaimed he got 98% of what he wanted. That's not compromise. That's the democrats surrendering, and yet to this day I hear how Obama isn't being bipartisan enough. He needs to stop being so accommodating to people who'll never vote for anything he does. Fuck the republican party and their obstructionist bullshit. I'd rather see progress attempted than see us backslide due to congressional Republican jackassery.

[Greed and Death]

No it is a matter of prospective, aka a Jedi truth, further qualifiers are waste time in a public debate filled with 30 second sounds bites. You are allowed to advocate minus the qualifiers. If FICA was not present and the poor only paid sales tax no one would blink.

Besides it is far more honest then when the democrats claim they are advocating for healthcare as fundamental right. No one when they thick about it really means that, it is just an impressive sound bite.

dishonest is dishonest.

It is only dishonest if there is an agreed on definition of tax which there is not.

Now as for the definition of fundamental right there is an agreed upon definition, which an outlay from the govnerment can almost never be.