How does the GOP maintain the level of support they do?

[SaintB]

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

Eric Holder was briefed, just read the friggin wikipedia article and its sources and don't make me waste time to explain this to you.

He was briefed, he was also informed that there were 2 - 3 other previous operations that went quite well for the ATF and so he signed off on it. That is not illegal and certainly not worth losing your job over.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Eric Holder was briefed, just read the friggin wikipedia article and its sources and don't make me waste time to explain this to you.

He was briefed, he was also informed that there were 2 - 3 other previous operations that went quite well for the ATF and so he signed off on it. That is not illegal and certainly not worth losing your job over.

So he DID know about it, and DID have something to do with it. Dozens of people died. Nixon lost his job over breaking and entering.

[Ifreann]

Yup. Furthermore, Geneva conventions only apply to cases where the opposing party (even if it's resistance to occupation according to Protocol 1), if not a signatory, applies the provisions, else, it's open season.

Yeah, if there's anything that's worth doing in life, it's becoming your enemies at the cost of billions of dollars. Excellent work.

We can't let the terrorists win the race to the bottom!

[Hittanryan]

He was briefed, he was also informed that there were 2 - 3 other previous operations that went quite well for the ATF and so he signed off on it. That is not illegal and certainly not worth losing your job over.

So he DID know about it, and DID have something to do with it. Dozens of people died. Nixon lost his job over breaking and entering.

Ever heard of "obstruction of justice"? Watergate was about the cover-up, not the actual break-in.

[SaintB]

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

You surely haven't forgotten the Democratic attacks on Alberto Gonzales, who multiple investigators declined to press charges against? Is it fair to call that a circus too?

Yes. I didn't say that the DNC doesn't do it too - and it is also wrong then. I think both parties and parties in general, are total shit.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Yeah, if there's anything that's worth doing in life, it's becoming your enemies at the cost of billions of dollars. Excellent work.

We can't let the terrorists win the race to the bottom!

Our enemy: Kills women and children for kicks, kills indiscriminately without any semblance of choosing targets, cut of a man's head and held it by the hair for politcal points, kills gays for being gay, kills women for not wearing Burkhas, kills Jews for being jewish.

We're not our enemy.

[Serrland]

You surely haven't forgotten the Democratic attacks on Alberto Gonzales, who multiple investigators declined to press charges against? Is it fair to call that a circus too?

Yes. I didn't say that the DNC doesn't do it too - and it is also wrong then. I think both parties and parties in general, are total shit.

I applaud you for recognizing that. It seems a good many Democrats seem to have very selective memory when it comes to attacking the AG for dubious at best reasons.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

So he DID know about it, and DID have something to do with it. Dozens of people died. Nixon lost his job over breaking and entering.

Ever heard of "obstruction of justice"? Watergate was about the cover-up, not the actual break-in.

Obstruction of justice over breaking and entering=/=dead people.

Sorry.

[Hittanryan]

We can't let the terrorists win the race to the bottom!

Our enemy: Kills women and children for kicks, kills indiscriminately without any semblance of choosing targets, cut of a man's head and held it by the hair for politcal points, kills gays for being gay, kills women for not wearing Burkhas, kills Jews for being jewish.

We're not our enemy.

That's not an excuse to summarily execute prisoners. There you go again with the "The other guy is even worse" argument.

[Greed and Death]

Because Obama isn't kicking out Eric Holder.

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

He does not need to do anything legally wrong to be fired.
Congress is mad because he did not turn over documents on request. ( reasons for that exist but that is why congress is mad).

[SaintB]

He was briefed, he was also informed that there were 2 - 3 other previous operations that went quite well for the ATF and so he signed off on it. That is not illegal and certainly not worth losing your job over.

So he DID know about it, and DID have something to do with it. Dozens of people died. Nixon lost his job over breaking and entering.

OMG violent felons killed law enforcement officers! Fire the Attorney General! What Nixon did was ILLEGAL what Holder did was not.

Are we supposed to fire the chief of police every time a drug bust ends up with people dead in a major city as well?

[Hittanryan]

Ever heard of "obstruction of justice"? Watergate was about the cover-up, not the actual break-in.

Obstruction of justice over breaking and entering=/=dead people.

Sorry.

A deliberate cover-up =/= authorizing an operation without knowing it was going to be botched.

Sorry again, please though, keep up this willful ignorance.

[Ifreann]

Yes. I didn't say that the DNC doesn't do it too - and it is also wrong then. I think both parties and parties in general, are total shit.

I applaud you for recognizing that. It seems a good many Democrats seem to have very selective memory when it comes to attacking the AG for dubious at best reasons.

So does that make it okay when the Republicans do it?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Obstruction of justice over breaking and entering=/=dead people.

Sorry.

A deliberate cover-up =/= authorizing an operation without knowing it was going to be botched.

Sorry again, please though, keep up this willful ignorance.

Eric Holder did cover it up. He said he was never briefed. We know that to be a lie. Want me to find him testifying under Oath that he said he wasn't?

[Serrland]

I applaud you for recognizing that. It seems a good many Democrats seem to have very selective memory when it comes to attacking the AG for dubious at best reasons.

So does that make it okay when the Republicans do it?

If I was the GOP brass would I drop the issue immediately? Absolutely. It's a case of political attacks based on allegations that are, as above, "dubious at best." Can't say I support it, and the contempt vote was an absolute farce, but let's not get all indignant about it. It happened back in 2007, and it's happening again now. It's stupid and frankly petty, but evidently fair game.

[Pope Joan]

1. Scare tactics.
2. Preys on people who don't understand economics.
3. Money.

Lots and lots of money.

It buys lots and lots of disinformation.

Look at who owns the "liberal" media outlets too.

and let's not forget "Christian" broadcasting, with its built-in political agenda!

[Pyravar]

Below are Barack Obamas words pertaining to what I pointed out above. "I'm not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington. And I'm not willing to let our economy slip backwards just as we're pulling ourselves out of this devastating recession..."

Because Obama has done such a great job. Yeah right. He's incompetent, arrogant and unqualified for the presidency. His precious democrats in the senate haven't passed a budget in years. When his party ran the whole congress it was a complete mess so people gave the GOP the house to try to help. Soft-headed liberals think the Democrats are the party "who cares" while the GOP is the evil evil corporate party. You'll find plenty of that on NS. The forums are full of dim leftists.

[Khadgar]

Below are Barack Obamas words pertaining to what I pointed out above. "I'm not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington. And I'm not willing to let our economy slip backwards just as we're pulling ourselves out of this devastating recession..."

Because Obama has done such a great job. Yeah right. He's incompetent, arrogant and unqualified for the presidency. His precious democrats in the senate haven't passed a budget in years. When his party ran the whole congress it was a complete mess so people gave the GOP the house to try to help. Soft-headed liberals think the Democrats are the party "who cares" while the GOP is the evil evil corporate party. You'll find plenty of that on NS. The forums are full of dim leftists.

And that kids would be trolling.

[Ifreann]

So does that make it okay when the Republicans do it?

If I was the GOP brass would I drop the issue immediately? Absolutely. It's a case of political attacks based on allegations that are, as above, "dubious at best." Can't say I support it, and the contempt vote was an absolute farce, but let's not get all indignant about it. It happened back in 2007, and it's happening again now. It's stupid and frankly petty, but evidently fair game.

I'll take that as a yes.

[Katganistan]

I for one support GOP because they're actually trying to fix the economy and save the US, while the Democrats are steadily trying to ruin it with big government and irresponsible spending.

The links you posted, they just show that the GOP is actively trying to prevent the government becoming excessively large and bloated. Healthcare is not the government's business. The government doesn't operate supermarkets or clothing stores, why should it operate hospitals or provide any kind of healthcare? Healthcare is a privilege, not a right.

Easy to support them when you don't live here, Hippo.

[Serrland]

If I was the GOP brass would I drop the issue immediately? Absolutely. It's a case of political attacks based on allegations that are, as above, "dubious at best." Can't say I support it, and the contempt vote was an absolute farce, but let's not get all indignant about it. It happened back in 2007, and it's happening again now. It's stupid and frankly petty, but evidently fair game.

I'll take that as a yes.

It's a "meh." Same way it was a "meh" when the Dems did it a few years back. I wasn't upset by it then, and I'm not upset by it now. It's just childish, really. At least wait for a proper scandal to pounce on someone instead of going out of your way to manufacture one.

[New Unsociety]

1)Campaign contributions by major industrial sectors and media support (the media who are private megacorporations and also get ads from other megacorporations and banks).
2)Distrust towards government(and unfortunately no-one remembers much about left-libertarianism, the propaganda machine took care of that).
3)Democraps are almost as right-wing as the republicans so many people who would vote left just don't and compose together with others the independents or non-voting.
4)They got used to being ****ed over by big capital and consider it normal.
5)Educational system and status quo.
6)The South and its civil war baggage.
7)Too much religion and too little education, especially in the rural areas.
8 )No social movements ever since Reagan busted the unions.

[Ifreann]

I for one support GOP because they're actually trying to fix the economy and save the US, while the Democrats are steadily trying to ruin it with big government and irresponsible spending.

The links you posted, they just show that the GOP is actively trying to prevent the government becoming excessively large and bloated. Healthcare is not the government's business. The government doesn't operate supermarkets or clothing stores, why should it operate hospitals or provide any kind of healthcare? Healthcare is a privilege, not a right.

Easy to support them when you don't live here, Hippo.

I certainly doesn't look easy.

[Shady Deals]

Since so many people are saying that one side is more evil than Satan than the other, I'd like submit my thought on how the U.S. will collapse with one simple word: economics.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Our enemy: Kills women and children for kicks, kills indiscriminately without any semblance of choosing targets, cut of a man's head and held it by the hair for politcal points, kills gays for being gay, kills women for not wearing Burkhas, kills Jews for being jewish.

We're not our enemy.

That's not an excuse to summarily execute prisoners. There you go again with the "The other guy is even worse" argument.

WRONG. I was refuting the argument that we were being our enemy.