How does the GOP maintain the level of support they do?

[Greed and Death]

And then there's the 53% of Americans that actually pay taxes

You realize that's a lie right? I mean, you know you're repeating a lie? And thus lying?

Not a lie there is a grain of truth.
NO payment of Federal income tax.
but payment of Fica.

[TaQud]

*raises hand*

*Picks*
Yes, TaQud?

what is the rich?

[Khadgar]

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

Who is in this jury, and where are they going to be imprisoned?

Well it won't be a public trial, so who cares who the jury is. Just take our word for it that it'll be totally fair. I mean, you do trust your government right?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

Who is in this jury, and where are they going to be imprisoned?

They won't be imprisoned. Likely, the sentence will be death.

The jury could be 12 members of the United States military. Nowhere in the US have people NOT heard about Al-Qaeda, so there's no way to get a completely impartial jury.

[Serrland]

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

Who is in this jury, and where are they going to be imprisoned?

Truman, Uncle Joe, and Attlee. A three man jury. We'll throw Raczkiewicz in there too just because the Poles got so done over at Potsdam it's hard not to feel a little sad for them.

[Mosasauria]

*Picks*
Yes, TaQud?

what is the rich?

And TaQud gets it correct, for a total of... $0 due to lack of tax income on this government-sponsored version of Jeopardy.

[Ashmoria]

Watergate didn't win him the election, and wasn't going to. On the other hand, dozens died because Obama started raging that his favorite talking point wasn't true, so he went out of his way to make it so.

The exact same kind of operation was performed twice under Bush Jr. and possibly once under Clinton; it went tits up because of shit laws and poor management by the top officials in the ATF. Why do people blame the president other than for political points?

it went tits up because it is all but impossible to prove that gun sales--even hundreds of thousands of dollars of sales to someone who qualifies for food stamps--actually break the law. the ATF followed lots of people who were obviously working for a system that delivered US guns to mexican cartels but had no way to prove that a particular sale was anything but legit. the laws in arizona are just that lax.

[Khadgar]

You realize that's a lie right? I mean, you know you're repeating a lie? And thus lying?

Not a lie there is a grain of truth.
NO payment of Federal income tax.
but payment of Fica.

The 53% is bullshit. It's actually 17%.

These figures cover only the federal income tax and ignore the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay. As a result, these figures greatly overstate the share of households that do not pay federal taxes. Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[5] In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items.

Now, if he really cherry picked and only claimed federal income tax counted, then it'd be as high as 51% in 2009.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Who is in this jury, and where are they going to be imprisoned?

Well it won't be a public trial, so who cares who the jury is. Just take our word for it that it'll be totally fair. I mean, you do trust your government right?

They aren't US citizens. We can take them behind the shed and blow their brains out for their crimes in fighting the US according to the Geneva convention for fighting without a uniform against us. By firing squad, it says.

[Yewhohohopia]

They won't be imprisoned. Likely, the sentence will be death.

For what crimes, where, and on what basis, and how admissable do you really think any of the evidence is?

The jury could be 12 members of the United States military. Nowhere in the US have people NOT heard about Al-Qaeda, so there's no way to get a completely impartial jury.

No, but there is a way to get a trial that people can actually see happen, and create appeals on the part of the captives/government based on what occurs.

[TaQud]

what is the rich?

And TaQud gets it correct, for a total of... $0 due to lack of tax income on this government-sponsored version of Jeopardy.

damn.

[Ashmoria]

the bald faced lies that play to conservatives preconceptions of how democrats behave work very well. its hard to fight claims that ring so very true to the people who hear them and want to believe them.

Fixed.

true

but almost all of us believe only what we want to believe.

[Ifreann]

And instead of, say, asking Greed what underhanded tactics he was talking about, you just went "Democrats bad! Bad! Boo!".

As though you think that would excuse Republican wrong-doing. Or as though you treat politics like a sport and want to score points for your team by attacking the other team.

Greed said the dems didn't use those tactics. I'm proving him wrong while I await his specific charges.

Something you've only seen fit to mention now, and not in your response to him.

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You realize that's a lie right? I mean, you know you're repeating a lie? And thus lying?

Not a lie there is a grain of truth.
NO payment of Federal income tax.
but payment of Fica.

Taking "x% of people don't pay this specific tax" and reporting it as "x% of people don't pay taxes!" is lying, plain and simple.

[Hittanryan]

Well it won't be a public trial, so who cares who the jury is. Just take our word for it that it'll be totally fair. I mean, you do trust your government right?

They aren't US citizens. We can take them behind the shed and blow their brains out for their crimes in fighting the US according to the Geneva convention for fighting without a uniform against us. By firing squad, it says.

Are you sure you're reading that correctly?

[Ashmoria]

You realize that's a lie right? I mean, you know you're repeating a lie? And thus lying?

Not a lie there is a grain of truth.
NO payment of Federal income tax.
but payment of Fica.

a grain of truth doesnt change it from being a lie. the best lies all contain a grain of truth.

[Yewhohohopia]

Well it won't be a public trial, so who cares who the jury is. Just take our word for it that it'll be totally fair. I mean, you do trust your government right?

They aren't US citizens. We can take them behind the shed and blow their brains out for their crimes in fighting the US according to the Geneva convention for fighting without a uniform against us. By firing squad, it says.

Right. I couldn't find where you lived on Google Maps, but here's a shot I got from Bruegel the Elder.

[The Hattian Empire]

Im trying to grasp my head around how the GOP manages to maintain the level of support they do in America? The GOP has been undermining the US citizens in every way over the past 4 years, and yet somehow they still garner a large amount of public favor. Below Im going to list off how the GOP "supports" Americans.

Spring 2010 Every GOP house member votes against health care reform law that extends coverage to 32 million Americans and forces employers to OFFER health care to employees. Employer offered health care is up to 30% cheaper than individually purchased health care and saves billions on all sides of the service

June, 2010 GOP filibusters bill that would extend unemployment benefits for nearly 1.2 million people. http://voices.yahoo.com/republicans-stop-2010-unemployment-benefits-extension-6243712.html

Late 2010 All GOP representatives sign promise to hold up voting on ALL legislation until Bush tax cut extension includes cuts for those making over $250,000 per year. Such a cut costs the country billions every year. Not passing cuts before they lapsed would cost the average american thousands.

Dec, 2010 GOP Holds up bill that would give 9/11 rescue workers and survivors access to funding to assist in medical care.http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027005.php

Dec, 2011 GOP holds up legislation until the last possible moment that extends a payroll tax cut http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-republicans-cave-payroll-tax-cuts-extension-obama/story?id=15212988#.T-_r0rXeCSo

The GOP doesnt care about you. They dont care about your taxes. They came days away from doubling your taxes TWICE! They dont care about 9/11 rescue workers, they used their healthcare as a hostage. They dont care that you cant find a job, all they care about is winning, or rather, forcing the democrats to lose. No matter what the cost to citizens. Id really like to hear from some conservatives, particularly GOP supporters as to why they still favor the Republican party?

Below are Barack Obamas words pertaining to what I pointed out above. "I'm not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington. And I'm not willing to let our economy slip backwards just as we're pulling ourselves out of this devastating recession..."

Politicans in general are screwed up. Don't just act like its only the GOP, the democrats are just as bad. The fact is, most conservatives don't like the establishment GOP, thats why the Tea Party movement happened, but it got taken away from us, now its an extension of the establishment. There are good GOPers out there; Jindal, Jeb Bush, Daniels, Portman, and Walker. My support for Walker stems from my dislike of unions. What to fix the system? We need a crises, those usually fix the system. No Vietnams or Koreas, we need WWIII. But chances are if that happened we would be fighting WWIV with sticks and stones

edit: Its fixed after the crises, as in WWII. After that we had some good days

[SaintB]

The exact same kind of operation was performed twice under Bush Jr. and possibly once under Clinton; it went tits up because of shit laws and poor management by the top officials in the ATF. Why do people blame the president other than for political points?

Because Obama isn't kicking out Eric Holder.

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

[Ashmoria]

They aren't US citizens. We can take them behind the shed and blow their brains out for their crimes in fighting the US according to the Geneva convention for fighting without a uniform against us. By firing squad, it says.

Right. I couldn't find where you lived on Google Maps, but here's a shot I got from Bruegel the Elder.

why are the people in the lower left corner so tiny?

[Ifreann]

Right. I couldn't find where you lived on Google Maps, but here's a shot I got from Bruegel the Elder.

why are the people in the lower left corner so tiny?

Communism.

[Greed and Death]

Not a lie there is a grain of truth.
NO payment of Federal income tax.
but payment of Fica.

a grain of truth doesnt change it from being a lie. the best lies all contain a grain of truth.

Well the difference is framing.
If you define tax as the federal income and define Fica as a mandatory insurance payment ( as many mandate supporters did prior to the case when they wished to suggest a ruling against them could jeopardize Social security) then it is perfectly true to say Group X pays no tax.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

They aren't US citizens. We can take them behind the shed and blow their brains out for their crimes in fighting the US according to the Geneva convention for fighting without a uniform against us. By firing squad, it says.

Are you sure you're reading that correctly?

Yup. Furthermore, Geneva conventions only apply to cases where the opposing party (even if it's resistance to occupation according to Protocol 1), if not a signatory, applies the provisions, else, it's open season.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Because Obama isn't kicking out Eric Holder.

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

Eric Holder was briefed, just read the friggin wikipedia article and its sources and don't make me waste time to explain this to you.

[Serrland]

Because Obama isn't kicking out Eric Holder.

The Attorney General who hasn't actually done anything legally wrong and had no actual part in the operation known as Fast and Furious? The entire thing was botched in house by the ATF itself, the attacks on Holder are posturing by your beloved GOP who would rather put on a circus before Congress ends its session than to actually have to work legislating stuff.

You surely haven't forgotten the Democratic attacks on Alberto Gonzales, who multiple investigators declined to press charges against? Is it fair to call that a circus too?

[Yewhohohopia]

Are you sure you're reading that correctly?

Yup. Furthermore, Geneva conventions only apply to cases where the opposing party (even if it's resistance to occupation according to Protocol 1), if not a signatory, applies the provisions, else, it's open season.

Yeah, if there's anything that's worth doing in life, it's becoming your enemies at the cost of billions of dollars. Excellent work.