How does the GOP maintain the level of support they do?

[Khadgar]

Because maybe there are some people who don't want a welfare state

Sure they do, they just don't want to call it that. If you're in the military, you're on welfare. You're on the government tit just as much as those "welfare queens" republicans loooove to bitch about. The US military's insane budget is nothing but a handout to those who have military bases in their constituencies. Keeps unemployment low and the requirements to be hired are laughably loose. The military is welfare with polished shoes.

[New Nassrau]

So damned true.

i still 99% rich (the votes taht do count for the republicans)

And then there's the 53% of Americans that actually pay taxes

[Mosasauria]

Im trying to grasp my head around how the GOP manages to maintain the level of support they do in America? The GOP has been undermining the US citizens in every way over the past 4 years, and yet somehow they still garner a large amount of public favor. Below Im going to list off how the GOP "supports" Americans.

Spring 2010 Every GOP house member votes against health care reform law that extends coverage to 32 million Americans and forces employers to OFFER health care to employees. Employer offered health care is up to 30% cheaper than individually purchased health care and saves billions on all sides of the service

June, 2010 GOP filibusters bill that would extend unemployment benefits for nearly 1.2 million people. http://voices.yahoo.com/republicans-stop-2010-unemployment-benefits-extension-6243712.html

Late 2010 All GOP representatives sign promise to hold up voting on ALL legislation until Bush tax cut extension includes cuts for those making over $250,000 per year. Such a cut costs the country billions every year. Not passing cuts before they lapsed would cost the average american thousands.

Dec, 2010 GOP Holds up bill that would give 9/11 rescue workers and survivors access to funding to assist in medical care.http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027005.php

Dec, 2011 GOP holds up legislation until the last possible moment that extends a payroll tax cut http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-republicans-cave-payroll-tax-cuts-extension-obama/story?id=15212988#.T-_r0rXeCSo

The GOP doesnt care about you. They dont care about your taxes. They came days away from doubling your taxes TWICE! They dont care about 9/11 rescue workers, they used their healthcare as a hostage. They dont care that you cant find a job, all they care about is winning, or rather, forcing the democrats to lose. No matter what the cost to citizens. Id really like to hear from some conservatives, particularly GOP supporters as to why they still favor the Republican party?

Below are Barack Obamas words pertaining to what I pointed out above. "I'm not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington. And I'm not willing to let our economy slip backwards just as we're pulling ourselves out of this devastating recession..."

Because maybe there are some people who don't want a welfare state

And those people tend to believe that a welfare state is one that provides buffers for the lower members of society. And, as rich angry white folks, they get angry over the fact that the money isn't going to them.

[Hittanryan]

No defence of the Republicans, no opposition to the claim they use underhanded tactics, just another "The Democrats are bad, too!" attack.

You aren't making specific charges with specific incidents in mind. I can't refute a general charge. It's like charging someone with murder without saying who was killed, when they were killed, how they were killed. I gave you specific incidents. I gave you specific charges.

You linked to a blog and a court case that has already been settled, neither of which was organized by the Democratic party. What exactly is that supposed to prove?

[The Black Forrest]

No defence of the Republicans, no opposition to the claim they use underhanded tactics, just another "The Democrats are bad, too!" attack.

You aren't making specific charges with specific incidents in mind. I can't refute a general charge. It's like charging someone with murder without saying who was killed, when they were killed, how they were killed. I gave you specific incidents. I gave you specific charges.

So the Democrats orchestrated that?

[Mosasauria]

i still 99% rich (the votes taht do count for the republicans)

And then there's the 53% of Americans that actually pay taxes

Guess which class evades taxes the most.

[SaintB]

It's all lies if you totally ignore all the facts in the OP.

The GOP tends to gain the favor of the people with the money; its a major factor in being able to maintain a base. They get their message out better than their opponent in a lot of cases and even if that message is shit it is still a message that people understand. Basically Republicans have more social clout in the form of spending in the majority of elections.

Bulllllshiz.

Look at 2008.

The GOP maintains the level of support we do because we don't believe in robbing our children or saddling them with debt. We don't believe that the poor are pets.

Individually the candidates spend less but you ignore the PACs that pour even more money into the GOP machine without making direct contributions to a campaign - they push the balance in the GOP's favor and almost every single one of them is owned and operated by a handful of the same people... each one of them filthy rich.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Because maybe there are some people who don't want a welfare state

Sure they do, they just don't want to call it that. If you're in the military, you're on welfare. You're on the government tit just as much as those "welfare queens" republicans loooove to bitch about. The US military's insane budget is nothing but a handout to those who have military bases in their constituencies. Keeps unemployment low and the requirements to be hired are laughably loose. The military is welfare with polished shoes.

And the fact that they do stuff, and can be removed on a whim from the military. Comparing the military to things like the WPA is stupid.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Bulllllshiz.

Look at 2008.

The GOP maintains the level of support we do because we don't believe in robbing our children or saddling them with debt. We don't believe that the poor are pets.

Individually the candidates spend less but you ignore the PACs that pour even more money into the GOP machine without making direct contributions to a campaign - they push the balance in the GOP's favor and almost every single one of them is owned and operated by a handful of the same people... each one of them filthy rich.

Source?

[Khadgar]

i still 99% rich (the votes taht do count for the republicans)

And then there's the 53% of Americans that actually pay taxes

You realize that's a lie right? I mean, you know you're repeating a lie? And thus lying?

[TaQud]

And then there's the 53% of Americans that actually pay taxes

Guess which class evades taxes the most.

*raises hand*

[Yewhohohopia]

After all, we didn't demand US rights for Nuremburg, did we?

No, but then the Nuremberg trials were basically a kangaroo court.

"Hmm so this thing, was it a crime?"
"Yes. Yes, I think it was, how do you feel, other appointed judge?"
"Hmm I suppose so, yourself, other appointed judge"
"I concur"
"OK, well in that case, we'd probably best hang them"

Not how the law usually works, or ought to work.

[Mosasauria]

Because maybe there are some people who don't want a welfare state

Sure they do, they just don't want to call it that. If you're in the military, you're on welfare. You're on the government tit just as much as those "welfare queens" republicans loooove to bitch about. The US military's insane budget is nothing but a handout to those who have military bases in their constituencies. Keeps unemployment low and the requirements to be hired are laughably loose. The military is welfare with polished shoes.

But the military aren't poor minorities in their minds. Therefore, it's not welfare.

[Hittanryan]

Individually the candidates spend less but you ignore the PACs that pour even more money into the GOP machine without making direct contributions to a campaign - they push the balance in the GOP's favor and almost every single one of them is owned and operated by a handful of the same people... each one of them filthy rich.

Source?

Here you go

[Mosasauria]

Guess which class evades taxes the most.

*raises hand*

*Picks*
Yes, TaQud?

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

After all, we didn't demand US rights for Nuremburg, did we?

No, but then the Nuremberg trials were basically a kangaroo court.

"Hmm so this thing, was it a crime?"
"Yes. Yes, I think it was, how do you feel, other appointed judge?"
"Hmm I suppose so, yourself, other appointed judge"
"I concur"
"OK, well in that case, we'd probably best hang them"

Not how the law usually works, or ought to work.

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Source?

Here you go

No wonder it's this year, that's because the Dems are weakinging their support of Obama. Look back to 2008.

[Mosasauria]

No, but then the Nuremberg trials were basically a kangaroo court.

"Hmm so this thing, was it a crime?"
"Yes. Yes, I think it was, how do you feel, other appointed judge?"
"Hmm I suppose so, yourself, other appointed judge"
"I concur"
"OK, well in that case, we'd probably best hang them"

Not how the law usually works, or ought to work.

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

Because that's obviously justice.

[Ifreann]

No defence of the Republicans, no opposition to the claim they use underhanded tactics, just another "The Democrats are bad, too!" attack.

You aren't making specific charges with specific incidents in mind. I can't refute a general charge. It's like charging someone with murder without saying who was killed, when they were killed, how they were killed.

And instead of, say, asking Greed what underhanded tactics he was talking about, you just went "Democrats bad! Bad! Boo!".

I gave you specific incidents. I gave you specific charges.

As though you think that would excuse Republican wrong-doing. Or as though you treat politics like a sport and want to score points for your team by attacking the other team.

[SaintB]

to steal the presidental election. the president broke the law in order to steal the white house.

thats worse. except when the president does it, its not illegal.

Watergate didn't win him the election, and wasn't going to. On the other hand, dozens died because Obama started raging that his favorite talking point wasn't true, so he went out of his way to make it so.

The exact same kind of operation was performed twice under Bush Jr. and possibly once under Clinton; it went tits up because of shit laws and poor management by the top officials in the ATF. Why do people blame the president other than for political points?

[Ashmoria]

No defence of the Republicans, no opposition to the claim they use underhanded tactics, just another "The Democrats are bad, too!" attack.

I honestly can't find an actual defense of the Republicans, just "LIBERALS RAWR" backed up with patently false claims.

the bald faced lies that play to conservatives preconceptions of how democrats behave work very well. its hard to fight claims that ring so very true to the people who hear them and believe them.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Watergate didn't win him the election, and wasn't going to. On the other hand, dozens died because Obama started raging that his favorite talking point wasn't true, so he went out of his way to make it so.

The exact same kind of operation was performed twice under Bush Jr. and possibly once under Clinton; it went tits up because of shit laws and poor management by the top officials in the ATF. Why do people blame the president other than for political points?

Because Obama isn't kicking out Eric Holder.

[Yewhohohopia]

Several people were found innocent, but that's beside the point. They don't need a civilian trial. We can give them a trial by jury that is speedy, we just waive the requirement it be public.

Who is in this jury, and where are they going to be imprisoned?

[Mosasauria]

I honestly can't find an actual defense of the Republicans, just "LIBERALS RAWR" backed up with patently false claims.

the bald faced lies that play to conservatives preconceptions of how democrats behave work very well. its hard to fight claims that ring so very true to the people who hear them and want to believe them.

Fixed.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

You aren't making specific charges with specific incidents in mind. I can't refute a general charge. It's like charging someone with murder without saying who was killed, when they were killed, how they were killed.

And instead of, say, asking Greed what underhanded tactics he was talking about, you just went "Democrats bad! Bad! Boo!".

I gave you specific incidents. I gave you specific charges.

As though you think that would excuse Republican wrong-doing. Or as though you treat politics like a sport and want to score points for your team by attacking the other team.

Greed said the dems didn't use those tactics. I'm proving him wrong while I await his specific charges.