German Court rules circumcision as assault

[Kazomal]

Actually, circumcision is very painful. At birth, the foreskin us fused to the glans much like the fingernails are attached to the finger. How would you like it if someone stuck a knife under your fingernail, wiggled it until it came loose, then cut off the soft tissue of your finger? That's what circumcision is like.

Wow, you should totally look into this little thing called anaesthetics.

Not sure, but I don't think you anesthetize newborns.

[Neutraligon]

Wow, you should totally look into this little thing called anaesthetics.

Not sure, but I don't think you anesthetize newborns.

You can, they do (how do you think c-sections happen)

[The Godly Nations]

Wow, you should totally look up this little thing called anaesthetics.

Yeah, I heard that they aren't used during circumcision usually. And when they are, the baby gets no post-op painkillers, wo that also hurts a lot.

And for your other comment, we don't need to take such extreme measures to prevent HIV because it is not an outbreak. We still should prevent it though, by making sure everyone gets tested and uses condoms,

It is now known that infants do experience pain [Porter et al., 1999], and anesthesia for circumcision is recommended [Rabinowitz & Hullbert, 1995; Maxwell & Yaster, 1999]. Nevertheless, it is also known that neonates exhibit low pain scores compared with older infants [van Dijk et al., 2001]. Indeed, a baby must be quite resilient to endure the pain of passing through the narrow birth canal during parturition. In this regard, response to pain is lower in infants following vaginal delivery than delivery by caesarian section [Bergqvist et al., 2009]. “Pain and stress reactivity appear to be inhibited during fetal life”, leading to the suggestion that “to minimize neonatal pain, we recommend that postnatal invasive procedures be performed shortly after vaginal birth”, namely “within 90 min after birth” [Bergqvist et al., 2009].

http://www.circinfo.net/anesthesia.html

Two, so, how exactly is a harmless procedure like circumcision 'extreme'?

[Tlaceceyaya]

HOW exactly is this antisemitism?

All Jewish male infants are circumcised. This opens the door for vast antisemitic prosecutions.

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be protected at all costs?
I refer you to the previously referenced hypothetical religion that cuts off detached earlobes at birth.

[Narrow Path]

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[Neutraligon]

All Jewish male infants are circumcised. This opens the door for vast antisemitic prosecutions.

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be protected at all costs?
I refer you to the previously referenced hypothetical religion that cuts off detached earlobes at birth.

And as I said, if done in such a way that it normally causes no harm to hearing, there is no problem. Why shouldn't they be allowed to do so?

[Kazomal]

/mn, already answered

[Liberosia]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

[Neutraligon]

You can, they do (how do you think c-sections happen)

They anesthetize the mother, not the newborn. Like I said, I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like something that would be done.

Again, they get the baby drunk...acts like anesthesia.

[Tau 3mpire]

Why exactly should religious Jews have the privilege of mutilating a child's genitalia?

Why exactly should you accuse my family and most families in America of abusing their children?

Did you even read? American families have it done mostly for hygienic reasons, not for any religious purpose. The court said for health reasons, circumcision is fine.

[The Godly Nations]

All Jewish male infants are circumcised. This opens the door for vast antisemitic prosecutions.

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be protected at all costs?
I refer you to the previously referenced hypothetical religion that cuts off detached earlobes at birth.

One, circumcision does not adversely affect the quality of life of the child, cutting off an entire ear based upon its shape- which I assume is what you mean by cutting off detached earlobes- does.

[Occupied Deutschland]

All Jewish male infants are circumcised. This opens the door for vast antisemitic prosecutions.

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be protected at all costs?
I refer you to the previously referenced hypothetical religion that cuts off detached earlobes at birth.

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be banned?
I refer you to the distinct lack of any medical consensus on the procedure being either harmful or beneficial, since there are detriments and bonuses no matter the option taken.

Why do ya'all feel the need to legislate your own morality concerning baby penises?

[Tlaceceyaya]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

You do realize that Nazism is no longer the driving ideology of Germany, right? They're banning circumcision because it is unnecessary, irreversible and can cause health problems. Not to jab at the jews.

[Neutraligon]

So, because it's a religious tradition, it must be protected at all costs?
I refer you to the previously referenced hypothetical religion that cuts off detached earlobes at birth.

One, circumcision does not adversely affect the quality of life of the child, cutting off an entire ear based upon its shape- which I assume is what you mean by cutting off detached earlobes- does.

Add when done correctly, and there are no complications.

[Fischistan]

Yeah, I heard that they aren't used during circumcision usually. And when they are, the baby gets no post-op painkillers, wo that also hurts a lot.

And for your other comment, we don't need to take such extreme measures to prevent HIV because it is not an outbreak. We still should prevent it though, by making sure everyone gets tested and uses condoms,

It's called alcohol, and is normally used in Jewish circumcisions.

Right...getting babies drunk makes everything better.

If you get babies drunk so they avoid pain, we've got bigger problems to worry about. And do you use alcohol for several days after the operation like a normal adult would get painkillers for a while after the operation?

[The Godly Nations]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

Why do people even care what about the state of other people's penises?

[Neutraligon]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

You do realize that Nazism is no longer the driving ideology of Germany, right? They're banning circumcision because it is unnecessary, irreversible and can cause health problems. Not to jab at the jews.

Doesn't matter, Jews will see it as an attack on their religion, and then look at the history. Germans still have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

[Fischistan]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

Why do people even care what about the state of other people's penises?

Exactly. Why should you circumcise your babies if you don't even care?

[Artanili Datium]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

Congratulations, you have now violated the rights of a human being. I remember in 2012 when the Germans tried to stop you and everyone accused them to Anti-Setism when they were just protected Human Rights. How about this, let people decide what happens to their body and don't interfere with the bodily sovereignty of others.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Congradulations, you have now officially banned an essential part of Judaism. I remember when the Germans tried to ban another part of Judaism some time in the 40's. How about this, let people practice their own religion and don't interfere with the beliefs of others.
Nazis

Why do people even care what about the state of other people's penises?

You should see the WA debates on the subject.

[Tmutarakhan]

It isn't damage. And if he gave a damn about a flap of skin, he'd go find a wangapedian to stitch someones forehead down under.

When did people start giving a shit about this, is foreskin important now? Do we have groups of circumcised people crying for vengeance?

It IS damage. It is the cutting off of tissue which will not grow back. I had a disclaimer there about the definition of damage, but did not feel it necessary. In addition, since it cannot grow back, the loss of pleasure will last forever.

This is why circumcision needs to be done in infancy. During the puberty the nerves will grow as far as they can grow; cutting the foreskin after puberty does nerve damage.

[Neutraligon]

Why do people even care what about the state of other people's penises?

Exactly. Why should you circumcise your babies if you don't even care?

???Your making no sense, many people circumcise because there is a commandment to do so, thus they do care.

[Tlaceceyaya]

It IS damage. It is the cutting off of tissue which will not grow back. I had a disclaimer there about the definition of damage, but did not feel it necessary. In addition, since it cannot grow back, the loss of pleasure will last forever.

This is why circumcision needs to be done in infancy. During the puberty the nerves will grow as far as they can grow; cutting the foreskin after puberty does nerve damage.

Or NOT AT ALL.
The infant cannot consent to it. The infant does not benefit from it. The infant cannot undo the damage later in life.

[Fischistan]

You do realize that Nazism is no longer the driving ideology of Germany, right? They're banning circumcision because it is unnecessary, irreversible and can cause health problems. Not to jab at the jews.

Doesn't matter, Jews will see it as an attack on their religion, and then look at the history. Germans still have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Secular law > religious rules

and don't even bring Holocaust bullshit into this argument. That's a logical fallacy and you know it.

[Fischistan]

Exactly. Why should you circumcise your babies if you don't even care?

???Your making no sense, many people circumcise because there is a commandment to do so, thus they do care.

If there was a commandment that told you to sacrifice your first born, would you do it?