German Court rules circumcision as assault

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

There we go.

Hopefully you're not suffering from confirmation bias here...

With MY child, any easily prevented risk is too much risk.

NOOO My mother walked by, saw that picture, and now demands I watch The Boy In The Plastic Bubble with her tonight for her birthday.

[Nazis in Space]

Circumcision may provide some protection from penile cancer because removing the foreskin helps keep the area clean. Epidermoid/squamous cell carcinoma of the penis almost never occurs in men who are circumcised. However, it is important to note that circumcision alone cannot prevent penile cancer.

There we go.

With MY child, any easily prevented risk is too much risk.

Keeping in mind that

• The inconclusiveness and outright falseness of the health benefits claim has already been covered repeatedly in this thread (Speaking of which, even if circumcision helped to reduce the risk of penile cancer, adult circumcision would quite suffice on account of, well, penile cancer not exactly being an issue with children)
• The issue popped up because a professional doctor doing a circumcision caused excessive and long-term penile bleeding in the infant, which is kind of difficult to argue isn't a risk

I've to admit, the argument made strikes me as nothing short of hilarious.

[Gravlen]

In my mind its simple. I'm Jewish, I was circumcised, and when I have children, I will want them to be included in the religion which I am part of.
I don't know if anyone here has actually attended a Jewish 'bris', but it is one of the most poignant and special ceremonies which exists.
It gives this baby the opportunity and right to practice Judaism fully when they are older, and they become part of a traceable chain of people who are proud of their Jewish roots stretching back 4-5 thousand years.
I don't see why a German court should have the right to break this chain.
I haven't even touched upon the hygiene benefits and the fact that it is the equivalent of removing one's tonsils or appendix, because frankly, that isn't the point.

Because you shouldn't be able to violate the freedom of religion and bodily integrity of the children just because your religion calls for it.

When the child is older, let them have the choice of whether they want to be a part of your Great Chain.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Very few risks.

The inconclusiveness and outright falseness of the health benefits claim has already been covered repeatedly in this thread (Speaking of which, even [i]if[/ik] circumcision helped to reduce the risk of penile cancer, adult circumcision would quite suffice on account of, well, penile cancer not exactly being an issue with children)
The issue popped up because a professional doctor doing a circumcision caused excessive and long-term penile bleeding in the infant

Saying it is false is different than showing it so. Refute my urologist source and the one I provided with it.

[Gravlen]

Hopefully you're not suffering from confirmation bias here...

NOOO My mother walked by, saw that picture, and now demands I watch The Boy In The Plastic Bubble with her tonight for her birthday.

My work here is done

[Nazis in Space]

Very few risks.

The inconclusiveness and outright falseness of the health benefits claim has already been covered repeatedly in this thread (Speaking of which, even if circumcision helped to reduce the risk of penile cancer, adult circumcision would quite suffice on account of, well, penile cancer not exactly being an issue with children)
The issue popped up because a professional doctor doing a circumcision caused excessive and long-term penile bleeding in the infant

Saying it is false is different than showing it so. Refute my urologist source and the one I provided with it.

I've already done it in this thread~
You are, incidentally, not exactly explaining yourself, re: How issues like excessive penis bleeding over days is somehow not a risk~
You're also not explaining how, if the claims were true, adult circumcision is somehow not an option~

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Very few risks.



Saying it is false is different than showing it so. Refute my urologist source and the one I provided with it.

I've already done it in this thread~
You are, incidentally, not exactly explaining yourself, re: How issues like excessive penis bleeding over days is somehow not a risk~
You're also not explaining how, if the claims were true, adult circumcision is somehow not an option~

Is it permanent or life threatening? no.


HIV can happen to teenagers.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Very few risks.

The inconclusiveness and outright falseness of the health benefits claim has already been covered repeatedly in this thread (Speaking of which, even if[/ik] circumcision helped to reduce the risk of penile cancer, adult circumcision would quite suffice on account of, well, penile cancer not exactly being an issue with children)
The issue popped up because a professional doctor doing a circumcision caused excessive and long-term penile bleeding in the infant

Saying it is false is different than showing it so. Refute my urologist source and the one I provided with it.

[i]We already have.

NOOO My mother walked by, saw that picture, and now demands I watch The Boy In The Plastic Bubble with her tonight for her birthday.

My work here is done

No because tomorrow is my birthday and this movie will be shown after midnight so you ruined my birthday you fool.

[Nazis in Space]

I've already done it in this thread~
You are, incidentally, not exactly explaining yourself, re: How issues like excessive penis bleeding over days is somehow not a risk~
You're also not explaining how, if the claims were true, adult circumcision is somehow not an option~

Is it permanent or life threatening? no.


HIV can happen to teenagers.

I thought we were talking about penile cancer?

And HIV happens to circumcised people. In fact, HIV happens to a lot more circumcised people than to uncircumcised people.

This, too, has been covered extensively in this thread. Your inability to understand statistics doesn't make a decent argument, it just means you're incapable of understanding statistics.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I've already done it in this thread~
You are, incidentally, not exactly explaining yourself, re: How issues like excessive penis bleeding over days is somehow not a risk~
You're also not explaining how, if the claims were true, adult circumcision is somehow not an option~

Is it permanent or life threatening? no.


HIV can happen to teenagers.

HIV happens to circumcised men. The only group of people who HIV doesn't happen to are those who protect themselves. Circumcision is not protection against HIV and other STI's.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Very few risks.



Saying it is false is different than showing it so. Refute my urologist source and the one I provided with it.

We already have.

My work here is done

No because tomorrow is my birthday and this movie will be shown after midnight so you ruined my birthday you fool.

Go ahead and quote where you refuted the Urologist source.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

We already have.


No because tomorrow is my birthday and this movie will be shown after midnight so you ruined my birthday you fool.

Go ahead and quote where you refuted the Urologist source.

Are you actually fucking serious? ALL THROUGH THE THREAD.
Go reread the entire thread because we have proved you wrong through the entire thing and you have ignored us.

[Blakk Metal]

Is it permanent or life threatening? no.


HIV can happen to teenagers.

HIV happens to circumcised men. The only group of people who HIV doesn't happen to are those virgins who protect themselves never took blood and weren't born to an HIV carrier. Circumcision is not crappy protection against HIV and other STI's.

Corrected.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Go ahead and quote where you refuted the Urologist source.

Are you actually fucking serious? ALL THROUGH THE THREAD.
Go reread the entire thread because we have proved you wrong through the entire thing and you have ignored us.

Then finding a quote won't be hard.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

HIV happens to circumcised men. The only group of people who HIV doesn't happen to are those virgins who protect themselves never took blood and weren't born to an HIV carrier. Circumcision is not crappy protection against HIV and other STI's.

Corrected.

Uhm. Not quite.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Are you actually fucking serious? ALL THROUGH THE THREAD.
Go reread the entire thread because we have proved you wrong through the entire thing and you have ignored us.

Then finding a quote won't be hard.

Then it won't be hard for you to read the past 30 pages and see that there were a fuckton of sources posted since then. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that they were posted and that you just ignored them because you are a stubborn person doesn't mean I need to do all your work.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Then finding a quote won't be hard.

Then it won't be hard for you to read the past 30 pages and see that there were a fuckton of sources posted since then. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that they were posted and that you just ignored them because you are a stubborn person doesn't mean I need to do all your work.

Just find it.

[Nazis in Space]

Then it won't be hard for you to read the past 30 pages and see that there were a fuckton of sources posted since then. Just because you refuse to acknowledge that they were posted and that you just ignored them because you are a stubborn person doesn't mean I need to do all your work.

Just find it.

Now you're behaving like a spoiled child.

... Not surprising, all things considered.

[The Mongol Ilkhanate]

Just find it.

Now you're behaving like a spoiled child.

... Not surprising, all things considered.

How is it logical to make an assertion and demand the other person prove it? "OH YEAH, WELL PROVE THERE ISN'T A GOD!!!!"

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Now you're behaving like a spoiled child.

... Not surprising, all things considered.

How is it logical to make an assertion and demand the other person prove it? "OH YEAH, WELL PROVE THERE ISN'T A GOD!!!!"

WE HAVE ALREADY PROVED IT.
You are the one who has ignored it, then demand we go repost it so you can ignore it again.

[Blakk Metal]

Corrected.

Uhm. Not quite.

How so?

[Lialoth]

[Redacted]

The wording was messing with me.

[Nazis in Space]

Now you're behaving like a spoiled child.

... Not surprising, all things considered.

How is it logical to make an assertion and demand the other person prove it? "OH YEAH, WELL PROVE THERE ISN'T A GOD!!!!"

It isn't, which is why we're all so exasperated with your skill at ignoring everything but your own voice.

• You made the assertion
• This assertion was then shown to be wrong in a multitude of posts throughout this thread
• You ignored all of them and continue to make the same assertion that's been killed repeatedly, while simultaneously accusing everyone else of doing what you've been doing
• You pretend to be the 'Victim' by way of apparently missing, at a conservative guess, several dozen posts either directly or indirectly addressing your claims, declaring that they somehow do not exist

This thread has 133 pages. You can hit ctrl+f and look for the relevant keywords - HIV, Aids, cancer - on every page. Or, hell, for Nazis in Space, Page or Torcularis Septentrionalis, so you get our posts the quick way. It's not actually that many. It can be done in rather less time than you've thus far spent on this thread.

We already made our arguments. That you casually ignored them in order to be able to appeal to ignorance and pretend they aren't there isn't our fault. We didn't make them somewhere else, they're made in this thread, in plain sight.

If you refuse to read the very thread you're arguing in, well, then frankly, there's no helping you.

But frankly, if you're not going to read what others write, I suggest that you don't participate in the debate at all. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting your opinion without being willing to at least recognise the existence of criticisms isn't a valid debate tactic, it's just plain sad.

We're not willing to entertain you by repeating arguments we've already made - with you around and posting at the time, no less - and which you consciously choose to pass up on. You had the opportunity to read and reply to them. You still do. They're in this very thread you're already spending a shitton of time on, anyway.

Show you're willing to actually put some effort into the debate rather than simply shouting your opinion with no regard for everyone else.

Otherwise, be disregarded.

[Geilinor]

That's why it's good for it to be illegal perform on infants. To prevent stupid parents from violating their child's bodily autonomy for stupid reasons.

But there are medical benefits, even the small risk of penile cancer one which has been acknowledged.

Are the medical benefits worth circumcision?

[Tlaceceyaya]

But there are medical benefits, even the small risk of penile cancer one which has been acknowledged.

Are the medical benefits worth circumcision?

Cancer societies don't recommend it.