German Court rules circumcision as assault

[Genivaria]

One's right to practice a religion ends where permanently altering the structure of another's body begins. This court made the right call.

Well that's your opinion.

Why do outsiders get to define what is right?

Outsiders? There are no outsiders. We live in the same society here and live by the same rules.
If a person's religious practices cause harm to children then those practices should be stopped.

[Wamitoria]

If a person's religious practices cause harm to children then those practices should be stopped.

Seriously, stop accusing people in my family of deliberately harming children.

[Milks Empire]

By that logic, human sacrifice is A-OK.

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ALL. OF. MY. HATE.

I don't care. Sexual assault is sexual assault, no matter the reason.

[Genivaria]

Why exactly should religious Jews have the privilege of mutilating a child's genitalia?
Thats like saying that Muslims have a 'right' to cut the heads off of their women who dishonor their family.

Then convert to Judaism and work to change it.

Why? Jews live in the same community as the rest of us, not apart from it.

[The Republic of Lanos]

The fuck. I thought the Germans realized this anti-Jewish bullshit was dead long ago.

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Anti-semitism from germany who is suprised.

Actually the funny thing is that traditional circumcision following Jewish ceremonies only mutilates a part of the foreskin, whereas secular circumcision which is now popular in America and other places is a more full and complete mutilation and exists for no reason than to make the medical industry more money.

But I support the right for anyone to do whatever they want to their genitals and any other part of their body. When they're 18 and say "I choose this", not when they are helpless infants.

[Norstal]

Well that's your opinion.

Why do outsiders get to define what is right?

Outsiders? There are no outsiders. We live in the same society here and live by the same rules.
If a person's religious practices cause harm to children then those practices should be stopped.

It doesn't cause harm (not that much anyways). It also infringes on some people's cultures.

[Genivaria]

If a person's religious practices cause harm to children then those practices should be stopped.

Seriously, stop accusing people in my family of deliberately harming children.

I never used the word 'deliberately'.

[Wamitoria]

Seriously, stop accusing people in my family of deliberately harming children.

I never used the word 'deliberately'.

You implied it.

[SD_Film Artists]

I agree with the ruling, just too bad it's in Germany rather than America.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Contentious ruling. I think that the legal decision was correct. It did not legislate away the right for someone to choose to be circumcised (for religious reasons or otherwise); it just removed the power for someone to choose for them.

[Norstal]

Because it greatly discriminates against Jewish culture. The German courts can go fuck themselves as far as I am concerned.

Why exactly should religious Jews have the privilege of mutilating a child's genitalia?

Show that it's harmful first.

Thats like saying that Muslims have a 'right' to cut the heads off of their women who dishonor their family.

No, that's harmful. That's not beneficial. Circumcision is, to my knowledge, neutral.

[Baltenstein]

Anti-semitism from germany who is suprised.

Actually the funny thing is that traditional circumcision following Jewish ceremonies only mutilates a part of the foreskin, whereas secular circumcision which is now popular in America and other places is a more full and complete mutilation and exists for no reason than to make the medical industry more money.

That's not true. There are certain phimosis conditions that may make a medical circumcision necessary.

[Farnhamia]

Something being "a bit antisemitic" is like saying a woman is "a bit pregnant." Granted that the practice is barbaric, it is also fundamental to the religious pratices of millions of people. Legislating away religion, even from the judicial bench, does not strike me as a good idea. Education were better.

The court does state the following, however:

The regional court in Cologne, western Germany, ruled that the "fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents", a judgement that is expected to set a legal precedent.
"The religious freedom of the parents and their right to educate their child would not be unacceptably compromised, if they were obliged to wait until the child could himself decide to be circumcised," the court added.

I find this to be reasonable, and it wouldn't go against education, nor legislating the practice away.

You may think it's reasonable, 'Koku-san, but I believe Jewish parents have a command from Yahweh himself to have the circumcision performed within eight days (Leviticus 12:3). The court should know that, and knowing that, their statement about waiting is an amazing bit of disingenuous dissembling. If they don't know that, they are collectively an ass.

[Bafuria]

This is not a case of antisemitism, the German government is simply preventing genital mutilation.

[Galla-]

Anti-semitism from germany who is suprised.

Old habits die hard. >:

Because it greatly discriminates against Jewish culture. The German courts can go fuck themselves as far as I am concerned.

Why exactly should religious Jews have the privilege of mutilating a child's genitalia?
Thats like saying that Muslims have a 'right' to cut the heads off of their women who dishonor their family.

Exactly how is circumcision "mutilating"?

I'm circumcised. I don't remember it, nor do I give a flying fuck about it.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I have to admit to being a bit ignorant on Jewish tradition but what's the particular religious reason for infant circumcision. Is there a particular rule that requires it then as opposed to later life?

[Milks Empire]

Outsiders? There are no outsiders. We live in the same society here and live by the same rules.
If a person's religious practices cause harm to children then those practices should be stopped.

It doesn't cause harm (not that much anyways).^{[citation needed]} It also infringes on some people's cultures.

Permanently lopping off a part of the body of someone who is given no say whatsoever is an infringement of that person's human rights, barring a legitimate medical shit-hitting-the-fan situation. If he wants it done later, when he can speak for himself, it's then his personal business.

[The Matthew Islands]

Man, I remember that other thread we had on Circumsion a while ago when everyone was throwing the phrase of the month 'bodily sovereignty' about.

Couldn't we just copy and paste the arguments from there.

[Aquophia]

Feel bad for the next generation of babies. I'm not even jewish, but they knew what they were doing for sure. Glad I was circumcised.

[Wamitoria]

Contentious ruling. I think that the legal decision was correct. It did not legislate away the right for someone to choose to be circumcised (for religious reasons or otherwise); it just removed the power for someone to choose for them.

You do realize that Jews have to circumcise their children at a specific time otherwise they violate central religious tenants, right?

[The Black Forrest]

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ALL. OF. MY. HATE.

I don't care. Sexual assault is sexual assault, no matter the reason.

Ok. We have human sacrifice and sexual assault. At least be consistent in outlandish imagery.

[Wamitoria]

I have to admit to being a bit ignorant on Jewish tradition but what's the particular religious reason for infant circumcision. Is there a particular rule that requires it then as opposed to later life?

Yes.

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So if I start the church of the Magical Tree on Neptune and I say that it is part of our religion to surgically remove the little toe on each of a child's foot at birth, can someone explain to me why I don't deserve the same legal protection as Jews and Muslims?

[Genivaria]

Why exactly should religious Jews have the privilege of mutilating a child's genitalia?

Show that it's harmful first.

Its an infringement upon the child's rights.