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Postby Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:30 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:You're religious because it's benefits you?


Classic.......... :roll:
Scrooge: And what can I do for you two gentlemen?
Collector for the Poor: Sir, we are collecting funds for the indigent and destitute.
Scrooge: For the what?
Collector for the Poor: We're collecting for the poor.
Scrooge: Oh. Aha. Well um, you realize if you give money to the poor, they won't be poor anymore, will they?
Collector for the Poor: Well, I..
Scrooge: And if they're not poor anymore, then you won't have to raise money for them anymore.
Collector for the Poor: Well, I suppose...
Scrooge: And if you don't have to raise money for them anymore, then you'd be out of a job. Oh please, gentlemen, don't ask me to put you out of a job. Not on Christmas Eve.
Collector for the Poor: Oh, we wouldn't do that, Mr. Scrooge.
Scrooge: Well then, I suggest you give this to the poor and be gone.

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Postby Madoka Kaname » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:30 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html


Yes, because this definitely means that religious people are right.

No one died in my church yet. That makes my church the happiest religion there is! Also makes you immortal.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:30 pm

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." — George Bernard Shaw
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Madoka Kaname » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:31 pm

Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:You're religious because it's benefits you?


Classic.......... :roll:

The poster said there's no reason to become atheist because it doesn't benefit. So the poster must be religious because it benefits.

Reading is fun.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:31 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html


I'll be happily lying in my bed, sleeping away what is otherwise a terrible hangover on this next Sunday morning. What about you?
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Postby Pragia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:32 pm

Fischistan wrote:
Santa Cruz da Graciosa wrote:I am a Roman Catholic. Growing up in the Azores, it was only expected that I follow the religion of my family, and all of those around us. I was not forced into my religion, which is a common argument against Catholicism. I am happy to be a Catholic, and I embrace the love of God. Hopefully, I can add something to this thread, despite its lack of substance.

Except that you were. When you were young, your parents brainwashed you into believing Catholicism. If you had been brought up with a neutral point of view, then your decision on what religion you might adopt could very well be different.

Whelp there you go, proof of fact that atheists don't need protection, I'm sorry but religion is hard for me to believe in, but I keep a loose belief in a higher power. Don't like to hear religion is "brainwashing", growing up in a religious family does tend to give you a good sense of morality.

Common man, the guy was just contributing to the thread, and you shoot him down for confirming to others, would you honestly not do what your parents taught you.

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Postby The Slyfalsian Dystopia » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:33 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html


That study was probably biased. Not to mention the facts atheists are often persecuted and religious people fear going to hell. So instead they live miserably.

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Postby Scrooge Mc Duck Company » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:36 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Scrooge Mc Duck Company wrote:
Classic.......... :roll:

The poster said there's no reason to become atheist because it doesn't benefit. So the poster must be religious because it benefits.

Reading is fun.


Hahaha........ clever.... ;)
Scrooge: And what can I do for you two gentlemen?
Collector for the Poor: Sir, we are collecting funds for the indigent and destitute.
Scrooge: For the what?
Collector for the Poor: We're collecting for the poor.
Scrooge: Oh. Aha. Well um, you realize if you give money to the poor, they won't be poor anymore, will they?
Collector for the Poor: Well, I..
Scrooge: And if they're not poor anymore, then you won't have to raise money for them anymore.
Collector for the Poor: Well, I suppose...
Scrooge: And if you don't have to raise money for them anymore, then you'd be out of a job. Oh please, gentlemen, don't ask me to put you out of a job. Not on Christmas Eve.
Collector for the Poor: Oh, we wouldn't do that, Mr. Scrooge.
Scrooge: Well then, I suggest you give this to the poor and be gone.

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Postby Demon Cleaner » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:37 pm

I am currently reading about the God debate and the issue of the relationship between the Catholic church and science often comes up. Could anybody provide me evidence that the Catholic church had a bad relationship with science?
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:38 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html

Funny, I'm not the least bit unhappy...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:39 pm

Demon Cleaner wrote:I am currently reading about the God debate and the issue of the relationship between the Catholic church and science often comes up. Could anybody provide me evidence that the Catholic church had a bad relationship with science?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.
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Postby The Richard Bastion Republic » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:39 pm

No I'm not Christian for my Earthtly benefit, but I don't want my soul to go to hell.
The happiness is just a side-benefit. Christians usually are happier unless we're getting killed or persecuted against (like in the early Roman times). We have pray to god when we are in a desperate situation, and we keep a network of Christian friends.

Also, I was just asking a question, I wasn't telling any of you what you should or should not be.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:39 pm

Demon Cleaner wrote:I am currently reading about the God debate and the issue of the relationship between the Catholic church and science often comes up. Could anybody provide me evidence that the Catholic church had a bad relationship with science?


Iirc, when Copernicus was writing his works, he didn't release them because he didn't want to be burned. When he died and his works were published, guess what the church did? They dug his corpse up and burned it. That's dedication to ignorance there.
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Postby Veladio » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:40 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Demon Cleaner wrote:I am currently reading about the God debate and the issue of the relationship between the Catholic church and science often comes up. Could anybody provide me evidence that the Catholic church had a bad relationship with science?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.

IIRC doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?
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Social Libertarian (could care less about Economics, there are people who are more educated at it, so it is a waste of time to try and debate me on it.). As stated above I am a Wiccan, and I find solidarity with the Egyptian Deities. I support government secularization as well as complete freedom of religion, as I believe that to truly be secular, the state must respect all beliefs, and favor none. And I recently enlisted in the United States Navy.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:40 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html


I'll be happily lying in my bed, sleeping away what is otherwise a terrible hangover on this next Sunday morning. What about you?

Well, I'll probably be on a textbook binge, seeing as I just recieved my college textbooks yesterday. *squeals* :D I've already finished one of the most interesting ones (dealing with the anthropological techniques used in the field, using Phillippe Bourgois's In Search of Respect as the example of how to properly conduct and evaluate research results in an unnatural setting. Also a stunning and brutally honest look into crackhouse and ghetto culture, btw) , but I decided to break for today.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:40 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No I'm not Christian for my Earthtly benefit, but I don't want my soul to go to hell.

Soul doesn't exist.
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:The happiness is just a side-benefit. Christians usually are happier unless we're getting killed or persecuted against (like in the early Roman times). We have pray to god when we are in a desperate situation, and we keep a network of Christian friends.

Atheists don't have friends?
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Postby Demon Cleaner » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No offense, but I really don't see the benefit of someone being atheist because atheists are infact, less happy.
Furthermore, they are more likely to commit suicide.http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html


Correlation does not imply causation. Perhaps it's the case that suicidal people are more likely to be atheist then the other way around? In debates with people about the health of masturbation, they often cite studies that people who masturbate are more depressed. I always have to ask, ''Or it because people who are depressed masturbate more?'' It's very likely that when one loses their faith in the world, they will lose their faith in God. I imagine the latter is more prevalent than the former.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.

IIRC doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?

Yes. But why were'n't they right before? Why didn't God clue them in on it before hand? :eyebrow:
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.

IIRC doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?


They do now, after it was proven without a doubt. The Catholic Church are masters of changing their stances when it benefits them.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:42 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Demon Cleaner wrote:I am currently reading about the God debate and the issue of the relationship between the Catholic church and science often comes up. Could anybody provide me evidence that the Catholic church had a bad relationship with science?


Iirc, when Copernicus was writing his works, he didn't release them because he didn't want to be burned. When he died and his works were published, guess what the church did? They dug his corpse up and burned it. That's dedication to ignorance there.


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Postby Divair » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.

IIRC doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?

Yea. It only took them until the 90s (?) to accept it.

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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No I'm not Christian for my Earthtly benefit, but I don't want my soul to go to hell.
The happiness is just a side-benefit. Christians usually are happier unless we're getting killed or persecuted against (like in the early Roman times). We have pray to god when we are in a desperate situation, and we keep a network of Christian friends.

Also, I was just asking a question, I wasn't telling any of you what you should or should not be.

So you live for the afterlife, which probably does not exist, over living for the present which certainly exists? Seeing all that happens in the now as transient makes you happy, eh?
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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Iirc, when Copernicus was writing his works, he didn't release them because he didn't want to be burned. When he died and his works were published, guess what the church did? They dug his corpse up and burned it. That's dedication to ignorance there.


Is it bad that I laughed?


Everyone laughs when they hear that. Stupidity is funny.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Stovokor » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:No I'm not Christian for my Earthtly benefit, but I don't want my soul to go to hell.

Soul doesn't exist.
The Richard Bastion Republic wrote:The happiness is just a side-benefit. Christians usually are happier unless we're getting killed or persecuted against (like in the early Roman times). We have pray to god when we are in a desperate situation, and we keep a network of Christian friends.

Atheists don't have friends?


You know.. I think I don't mind not having a soul, but no friends. Now that sir is simply untrue, in fact I have many friends of many different religious and non religious backgrounds. I find friendship based upon liking them as a person a human being far more fulfilling than friends with them simply because of their religious orientation, that seems very one dimensional to me.

Also loved your responses Mavorpen, it's why I quoted you too.
If i'm responding to you directly, it is generally safe to disregard everything that was said and assume i'm calling you a twit.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:43 pm

Veladio wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

There you go.

Though nowadays the catholic church has been surpassed by others. Intelligent Design for example, is not supported by that German dude in Rome.

IIRC doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?


I said that they did not support Intelligent Design, I did not say that they were fully on board with evolution as a 100% purely biological process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... _evolution

I think they have something of a theistic evolution idea going on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution Which means that the process of evolution is created by God I guess.
The Blaatschapen should resign

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